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Are you sure you want to do that?
#11
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 3:18 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(January 11, 2021 at 3:03 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Letting him slide on this opens the door for others.  

He needs to have his nuts handed to him in a public forum...preferably by Pelosi and Hillary.
I am not saying he isn't a heinous asshole. Clearly he is. Clearly he is unfit and never should have been allowed the job.
The question is - at what price? Is throwing him out of office a week early worth the possible (my guess is - likely) high cost?

Letting him slide isn't the answer.

While he's in there he can get someone to figure out his pre-pardon and he walks off into the sunset having fucked the US real good.

If, for no other reason, he needs to be knocked down.  Let the record show that he was twice impeached and then go after the others in office who helped him pull all this crap.  If he is impeached for inciting a riot it's going to make it a lot easier to get the "little" guys on the same charge, such as Hawley and that weak-chinned Cruz.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#12
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 2:55 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: But being impeached by the House, even for a second time, is not enough to prevent Trump from seeking the White House or any other federal office in the future. That power rests in the U.S. Senate.

Article I of the Constitution authorizes the Senate to impose two punishments for a public official found guilty of articles of impeachment: removal from office and a ban on future officeholding.

According to the Senate's website, "The Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and the penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office. In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future."

The second penalty—banning a public figure from running for office again—requires only a simple majority of 51 senators rather than the two-thirds majority needed for removal, according to The New York Times.



Can Donald Trump Run for President in 2024 if He's Impeached Again? (newsweek.com)

He’s got to be convicted before he can be banned from holding office in the future. Disqualification is one of the punishments attendant upon the conviction. To disqualify him without convicting him would be like putting a man in prison for bank robbery after he was acquitted of the charge.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#13
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 3:24 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(January 11, 2021 at 3:18 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I am not saying he isn't a heinous asshole. Clearly he is. Clearly he is unfit and never should have been allowed the job.
The question is - at what price? Is throwing him out of office a week early worth the possible (my guess is - likely) high cost?

Letting him slide isn't the answer.

While he's in there he can get someone to figure out his pre-pardon and he walks off into the sunset having fucked the US real good.

If, for no other reason, he needs to be knocked down.  Let the record show that he was twice impeached and then go after the others in office who helped him pull all this crap.  If he is impeached for inciting a riot it's going to make it a lot easier to get the "little" guys on the same charge, such as Hawley and that weak-chinned Cruz.

At the very least, Cruz should charged under the Poorly Executed Beard statute.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#14
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
I stand corrected.

But I still think they need to throw everything at him that they can dig up and just keep pelting him.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#15
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 3:40 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I stand corrected.

But I still think they need to throw everything at him that they can dig up and just keep pelting him.


I don’t disagree. But I think he should get special treatment under the law, like revoking statutes of limitations just for him. That way, he can be charged with every crime he’s committed since 1964.


Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#16
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 3:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 11, 2021 at 3:40 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I stand corrected.

But I still think they need to throw everything at him that they can dig up and just keep pelting him.


I don’t disagree. But I think he should get special treatment under the law, like revoking statutes of limitations just for him. That way, he can be charged with every crime he’s committed since 1964.


Boru

We have to figure out this pre-pardon thing first.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#17
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 3:18 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(January 11, 2021 at 3:03 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Letting him slide on this opens the door for others.  

He needs to have his nuts handed to him in a public forum...preferably by Pelosi and Hillary.
I am not saying he isn't a heinous asshole. Clearly he is. Clearly he is unfit and never should have been allowed the job.
The question is - at what price? Is throwing him out of office a week early worth the possible (my guess is - likely) high cost?

There are times to try to save money.  This isn't one of them.  He needs to be made an example of, legally.  Legal precedent needs to be set, now.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#18
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 3:18 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(January 11, 2021 at 3:03 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Letting him slide on this opens the door for others.  

He needs to have his nuts handed to him in a public forum...preferably by Pelosi and Hillary.
I am not saying he isn't a heinous asshole. Clearly he is. Clearly he is unfit and never should have been allowed the job.
The question is - at what price? Is throwing him out of office a week early worth the possible (my guess is - likely) high cost?

He is too dangerous not to try. Every day he is in office he becomes more unglued. 

He has said nothing about the continuing threats coming from right wing groups. Even if the Capital is not attacked again, the right wing militia nuts will attack softer targets like State Houses, election officials houses, or even Twitter and Facebook employees. 

He has to be punished to send a message that inciting sedition is not acceptable or forgivable.

He simply does not care or care to understand that people DO act on his words. He's had 4 years in office inciting people, and those words add up over time. We have no choice but to go after him through the process and legal means. Otherwise he will be setting a dangerous precedence that future Presidents, smarter than him, and not bombastic, whom may have the same intent, could complete the coup he failed at.
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#19
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
(January 11, 2021 at 3:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru48 Wrote:
(January 11, 2021 at 3:40 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I stand corrected.

But I still think they need to throw everything at him that they can dig up and just keep pelting him.


I don’t disagree. But I think he should get special treatment under the law, like revoking statutes of limitations just for him. That way, he can be charged with every crime he’s committed since 1964.


Boru

I thought you knew American law.

You can't prosecute someone ex post facto by making new laws...
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#20
RE: Are you sure you want to do that?
Impeachment and conviction would make it impossible for him to hold a federal office after that date. The GOP would be free to choose a non-lunatic, if any such were to miraculously appear.
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