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LAW and CIVILIZATION
#21
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 7:46 pm)senorlegalo Wrote: genuine philosophical polemic

Could you paraphrase the original argument in different words, so that the moderators here don't deem it to be a copy of another site?

If it's not directly copy-pasted they might allow you to discuss it.
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#22
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 7:26 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Or, you could just have the convo.

Law is not descriptive of human behavior.  The existence of a law does not mean that a person practically cannot do x - or that there would be more x if there were no law.  I think that we're on the same page so far - is this what you meant?

Language of law can describe human conduct as well as any language can.

I am saying, in keeping with Sartre's description of how human conduct originates, that the given, existing, language of law is not capable of determining persons either to act or to forbear action.  For Sartre all human action and inaction arise on the basis of what does not exist, in the sense that the future is a nothing which humans make as a desideratum which they intend to usher into the world in the imminent future.  Human conduct originates on the basis of nothing, non-being, and, is a nihilative process wherein we humans make the nothing that is the future, and, we make the present nothing, as past; and, transcend the present by doing our future which is a not, until realized and, in turn, transcended.
Language of law is a given, an existing state of affairs, and, is what it is, an identity A=A, which cannot get out of itself in order to provide the intelligent conscious movent force for a human being to do an act.  Action arises only ex nihilo out of nothing, and, law is not nothing; hence it is not, cannot be, the basis of a mode of origination of human conduct. I have just enunciated the Sartreian position for you, with which I concur by watching myself perform what Sartre calls "double nihilation"...

What does "...have the convo. ..." mean?

Right; the existence of law does not mean that I cannot in practical fact do x, or, that I shall not do x because there is a law against doing x. Law is the largest con and scam on earth, wherein our prisons are always over full, and law enforcers maintain a radically wealthy lifestyle, all predicated upon the fact that neither they nor their victims have the least idea that law does not, cannot, determine human conduct, which is what law enforcement delusionally insists be the case, now, unto your instant murder if you transgress their mistaken notion that we are determined by law. A new ilk of civilization and justice can be predicated upon the Sartreian understanding of how a human act actually arises in the world, as a wholly negative, negational, nihilative process, wherein action upsurges only via negation...
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#23
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 8:02 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(January 17, 2021 at 7:46 pm)senorlegalo Wrote: genuine philosophical polemic

Could you paraphrase the original argument in different words, so that the moderators here don't deem it to be a copy of another site?

If it's not directly copy-pasted they might allow you to discuss it.

Of course he’d be allowed to discuss it. I’ve already told him so.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#24
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 7:12 pm)senorlegalo Wrote:
(January 17, 2021 at 6:09 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: You'll be missed.

ⓘOfficial sources have determined this claim to be false.


Godwinned, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1".
It is not so astounding that when a person encounters quasi-Nazi censorship, in the form of chicken shit rules which suffocate the free expression of writing, that one call a spade a spade.
Most of those responding thus far have only stupidly done ad hominem fallacious response to my propositions, which fallacious responses total up to meaninglessness.  
Only the fellow who concurred that law is not determinative of human conduct has tread a decent path of interchange.  Fuck all of  you imbecilic ignorant persons, who only wish to goad my person until I directly insult you in point blank terms and, get banned.  Fucking think I give a shit if I am banned from a site populated by mean barbarians with sub-performative intelligence quotients...!?

I am here in the attempt to post an integral critique of law and law enforcement and to present a possible alternative mode whereby we may attain authentic civil civilization, but, since the climate is so totally prohibitive here, and, the climate is so personal attack oriented, there is the chance of a snowball in hell that I will run the gauntlet of abuse unto the place where I present an edifying critique of law, whereby we now attempt to have and do civilization...

Oh sweetheart, who hurt you? 
Let FSM soothe the bedlam in your mind.  Thoughts and Prayers. RAmen.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

      Conservative trigger warning.
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#25
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
Everything senorlegalo doesn't like is Nazism  Hehe
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#26
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
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"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

      Conservative trigger warning.
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#27
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 8:40 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: [Image: qZx1vzCU.png?0118]
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Using my time machine I peered into the future*



*Future may become altered after viewing it.

Yeah, don’t do that.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#28
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 8:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yeah, don’t do that.

Boru
Good advice, last time I did I almost became my own grandfather.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

      Conservative trigger warning.
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#29
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 8:50 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(January 17, 2021 at 8:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yeah, don’t do that.

Boru
Good advice, last time I did I almost became my own grandfather.

And this time you almost got a warning. Take a hint.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#30
RE: LAW and CIVILIZATION
(January 17, 2021 at 8:02 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(January 17, 2021 at 7:46 pm)senorlegalo Wrote: genuine philosophical polemic

Could you paraphrase the original argument in different words, so that the moderators here don't deem it to be a copy of another site?

If it's not directly copy-pasted they might allow you to discuss it.

Yes, precisely, the same solution I have realized. 

However, I shall not permit myself to alter my writing for the sake of evading radically anti-human rules posited against my free deployment, via modern means, of my precise language, which is the result of incredibly long and ongoing re-writing, until it is at the place where I, not the other, want it. Fuck these stupid fucking imbecilic monitor absolutist freaks, who suffocate the ancient freedom of exercising the written word, by some godamn unintelligible notion named "spam", fuck spam; my writing is my freedom freely expressed, it is not some dummie's "spam" construct.
Fuck what these young punk assholes might or might not allow in the way of free use and free expression of language.  I am 75 fucking years old, and am not about to let some stuck on stupid young asshole deny me freedom of speech because he thinks in terms of some shit called spam! Fuck that...
I will reason with these monitor fools, until they realize the inhumanity of their mode of prohibition of free expression, upon a site meant for the enunciation of language per se...
There is an absolute sense wherein every word we speak is copied and pasted, eternally, directly out of the millions of years in the past, from which our very linguistic capacity and, every jot and tittle of our very language upsurges. These fucks are breaking their own fucking insane rule every time the think and or speak, for their words are not their own, but copied and pasted fromhistory, hence, they should, if we are to maintain consistency with their position, be banned.
l Oh, I notice I am now seventy five percent criminalized, by these insane fucking assholes who delusionally subscribe to an absolute absolutism of rules which, in fact, do not, cannot determine these Nazi assholes to do their particular ilk of subjugation and abuse of persons coming to this site for free interchange...which free interchange cannot happen here, amid the constant impossible determination of human conduct by rules!? I'll be banned very very soon. I will post the treatise so that it can be copied and pasted by intelligent persons interested in reading about a new approach to civil, free, civilization...
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