What does "Separation of Church and State" mean?

[The Architect Of Fate]

So your goal is to have no common rituals, mythology or even values within your country, other than pluralism itself? I'm no fan of Christianity, but this sounds even more grim

Arguments from emotion are not very compelling

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not sure that's a thing that can even happen to people. It never has before. If everyone in the US suddenly became a none, for example, we'd still have a huge mound of common rituals, mythology, and values. None of those things have to have anything to do with gods...and alot of the time, even when gods are mentioned, that's as much as they have to do with whatever the ritual, mythology, or values attempt to represent in mere reality. Americana is fundamentally neutral and agnostic but very, very efficacious. We could (and have) changed all sorts of beliefs over time to suit it. People who come here come to share those common rituals mythology and values in short order. I suppose that we could posit ourselves as natural consensus builders. We certainly find a need to be in any gaggle of people that exceeds the immediate family unit. It's a thing that we'll do no matter the circumstance.

[Seax]

So your goal is to have no common rituals, mythology or even values within your country, other than pluralism itself? I'm no fan of Christianity, but this sounds even more grim

Arguments from emotion are not very compelling

And yet man is an emotional, not a rational, creature.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Arguments from emotion are not very compelling

And yet man is an emotional, not a rational, creature.

That's not even a counter

[no one]

Yeah, but green trains head weast when shiny purple mermaids offer Cancunified jerrysilk.

[The Grand Nudger]

Arguments from emotion are not very compelling

And yet man is an emotional, not a rational, creature.

More like both, and some other stuff, right?  Emotional, rational, impulsive, rationalizing.  We have alot of different hammers in our bag.

[Mister Agenda]

"Separation of Church and State" is not in the US Constitutuon.

It comes from a letter in 1802 from Thomas Jefferson.


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Madison seemed to be under the impression that he had written it into the Constitution (italics mine):

"Ye States of America, which retain in your Constitution or Codes, any aberration from the sacred principle of religious liberty, by giving to Caesar what belongs to God, or joining together what God has put asunder, hasten to revise & purify your systems, and make the example of your Country as pure & compleat, in what relates to the freedom of the mind and its allegiance to its maker, as in what belongs to the legitimate objects of political & civil institutions. Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt. in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history."--James Madison; "Detached Memoranda," date of authorship unknown, estimated between 1817 and 1832

[onlinebiker]

"Separation of Church and State" is not in the US Constitutuon.

It comes from a letter in 1802 from Thomas Jefferson.


...

Madison seemed to be under the impression that he had written it into the Constitution (italics mine):

"Ye States of America, which retain in your Constitution or Codes, any aberration from the sacred principle of religious liberty, by giving to Caesar what belongs to God, or joining together what God has put asunder, hasten to revise & purify your systems, and make the example of your Country as pure & compleat, in what relates to the freedom of the mind and its allegiance to its maker, as in what belongs to the legitimate objects of political & civil institutions. Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt. in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history."--James Madison; "Detached Memoranda," date of authorship unknown, estimated between 1817 and 1832

Not hip to quotes huh?


Something like,  sorta the same or almost are not quotes.

The exact words in the exact order is a quote.


Capice?

To clarify -
"Separation of Church and State" is NOT in the Constitution.

Separation of Church and State is.

[Ferrocyanide]

"Separation of Church and State" is not in the US Constitutuon.

It comes from a letter in 1802 from Thomas Jefferson.


...

Madison seemed to be under the impression that he had written it into the Constitution (italics mine):

"Ye States of America, which retain in your Constitution or Codes, any aberration from the sacred principle of religious liberty, by giving to Caesar what belongs to God, or joining together what God has put asunder, hasten to revise & purify your systems, and make the example of your Country as pure & compleat, in what relates to the freedom of the mind and its allegiance to its maker, as in what belongs to the legitimate objects of political & civil institutions. Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt. in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history."--James Madison; "Detached Memoranda," date of authorship unknown, estimated between 1817 and 1832

Is Thomas Jefferson important in 20/21 th century USA?
I always see united statians quoting these oldies.
Thomas Jefferson time is over. He died. His family and friends died as well a long time ago.

Decide for yourself what kind of a world you want to live in. Decide for yourself if you want a separation of church and state. Discuss the benefits and losses instead of quoting what some guy from another century has said.

PS: I'm in Canada. I've never seen anyone quote some canadian politician from long ago when it comes to deciding on important questions of today.

--Ferrocyanide

[arewethereyet]

Madison seemed to be under the impression that he had written it into the Constitution (italics mine):

"Ye States of America, which retain in your Constitution or Codes, any aberration from the sacred principle of religious liberty, by giving to Caesar what belongs to God, or joining together what God has put asunder, hasten to revise & purify your systems, and make the example of your Country as pure & compleat, in what relates to the freedom of the mind and its allegiance to its maker, as in what belongs to the legitimate objects of political & civil institutions. Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt. in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history."--James Madison; "Detached Memoranda," date of authorship unknown, estimated between 1817 and 1832

Is Thomas Jefferson important in 20/21 th century USA?
I always see united statians quoting these oldies.
Thomas Jefferson time is over. He died. His family and friends died as well a long time ago.

Decide for yourself what kind of a world you want to live in. Decide for yourself if you want a separation of church and state. Discuss the benefits and losses instead of quoting what some guy from another century has said.

PS: I'm in Canada. I've never seen anyone quote some canadian politician from long ago when it comes to deciding on important questions of today.

--Ferrocyanide

Should we just forget things done in the past?  Scratch them after some expiration date and start over?

Does that include technological and medical findings?  Like, should we ditch penicillin, it's a pretty old drug and the man who discovered it and its used is long dead.  Sheesh - a one hundred year old medication - trash it.