Official Mass Shooter Thread

[arewethereyet]

Not sure what you mean by ‘In what context’ (and even less sure why you felt the need to shout it at me).

If you remove motive from the equation, the only gun deaths would be accidental ones. Apart from that, motive applies to every single gun death, without exception. This is why motive is so vitally important to the discussion.

Boru

I cannot simplify it any more.

It does not matter if a firearm death is suicide, or domestic murder, or gang violence, or mentally ill, or workplace grudge. Our epidemic of firearm violence REGARDLESS OF MOTIVE, is because we live in a flooded market, and there is not enough done at time of purchase to prevent these deaths to happen.

Motive is only a short term answer. Prevention starts with the makers and distributors to give a shit about whom they sell to and where their products end up.

If you take all the guns away and all the means for someone to make a gun, you are still going to have people who have a motive to kill another.  They will find a way.  People have been killing one another since Ug clobbered Ugga over the head with a big rock.

I don't think you know what motive means.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Not sure what you mean by ‘In what context’ (and even less sure why you felt the need to shout it at me).

If you remove motive from the equation, the only gun deaths would be accidental ones. Apart from that, motive applies to every single gun death, without exception. This is why motive is so vitally important to the discussion.

Boru

I cannot simplify it any more.

It does not matter if a firearm death is suicide, or domestic murder, or gang violence, or mentally ill, or workplace grudge. Our epidemic of firearm violence REGARDLESS OF MOTIVE, is because we live in a flooded market, and there is not enough done at time of purchase to prevent these deaths to happen.

Motive is only a short term answer. Prevention starts with the makers and distributors to give a shit about whom they sell to and where their products end up.

Imagine, just for a moment, that we could remove ALL possible motives for shooting people. No matter how angry or upset someone is, it would never occur to them to use a gun to solve whatever their particular problem happens to be. If this were the case, it would not matter how many guns people had or how flooded the market was - people simply wouldn't shoot each other, for the very obvious reason that they would have no motive to do so.

As unlikely and extreme as that scenario is, doesn't it suggest to you that it is at least worth investigating and trying to ameliorate some of the motives people have to do gun violence?

Boru