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Morality without God
RE: Morality without God
(March 30, 2021 at 8:44 am)Superjock Wrote: So I've never been that good at explaining to a theist how I justify my morality without God because I seem to fall into the trap where everything is just subjective and that kind of frustrates me.

Like if I say rape is immoral and a theist will say but that's just my subjective view. It's the law, sure but there is nothing fundamental grounding why it's wrong, it's just society and consensus agreeing that's it immoral. If, for example, society and consensus agreed that slavery was moral then it would be moral, etc.

I'm not well versed in the morality arguments, but I want to learn more so I can actually defend my moral foundation against theists because its something will inevitably come up in a debate. Your input, advice would be appreciated.

I think that morality should be founded in treating others fairly based on who is loving and who is not and to what degrees. (The more loving the more worthy of respect and the less loving the less worthy of respect.) This is something I believe in and I don't see how theists could credibly refute it because they could be cornered into being unloving themselves if they try to.
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RE: Morality without God
Theists seem to be almost singularly prepared to unlove themselves.

One of the more amusing aspects of theistic ideation (to me, because I'm immature like this as a rule) is that as soon as you start to think of god as a person, you start to wonder things about a god that you might wonder about a person. Things like...does he like me? Am I likable? What will happen...if god unfriends me?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Morality without God
If God is MY friend, how can she be HER friend?
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