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With All the Anti-QAnon Hate, How Come We Never Hear About Christian Zionism?
April 5, 2021 at 9:22 pm (This post was last modified: April 5, 2021 at 9:23 pm by Seax.)
On CBC in the last few months there has been a lot of time devoted to hate propaganda against QAnon believers. I don't personally believe in QAnon, though I suspect that the claim that politicians are controlled through claims of blackmail probably has a lot of truth to it. But the rest of it—Trump as savior, the 4chan posts claiming to be from a government insider with Q-level clearance, the supernatural elements involving Satanism, the nigh schizophrenic claims that Trump's hand gestures are some kind of secret QAnon code, Trump remaining as secret president behind the scenes—all of this sounds pretty cooky to me, and it neither makes sense nor has any evidence. So far as I can tell though, none of it is any more detatched from reality than Young Earth Creationism or Black Hebrew Israeliism or Chick tracts or horoscopes or any number of other things I could name that most sensible men laugh at, while acknowledging that everyone has the right to his own foolishness. I've never seen the propagandists on Canadian state television cover any of these things as newsworthy, let alone carry out a weeks long hate propaganda campaign of the kind Chinese state media conducted against the Falun Gong in the Nineties. I have never seen such utter malice on the face of the newscasters, nor seen them violate so flagrantly Canada's hate speech laws, though I won't hold my breath waiting for anyone in the media or government to even hint at that.
QAnon has no influence on public policy, most of its own supporters have abandoned it because whatever 'plan' they were 'trusting' has obviously not worked out and as far as I know it has no political representation apart from a single eccentric Congresswoman. Most of the supporters one finds on social media are women in their thirties and forties. Hardly a demographic likely to pose a threat to public safety. It's a modern retelling of the old 'king in the mountain' myth, with a particularly American flavour. The sole reason QAnon is subjected to a hate campaign by the propaganda outlet of Washington's northern client state is because it throws some wildly unflattering accusations at American ruling class.
Contrast this with the near media silence on Christian Zionism, an eschatological Protestant denomination dominant within mainstream American evangelicalism. Christian Zionism is not merely Christians supporting the Israeli State, is is a theological system with remarkable, and frightening, similarities to the apocalyptic doctrine of ISIS. To those unfamiliar, the Islamic State believed that they were creating a Caliphate that were battling with 'Rome' (the West), in a final conflict to bring about the Day of Judgement. They appealed to Islamic fundamentalists across the world to join them for the end times.
Christian Zionists may be too enervated by sugary drinks and decades of watching of Sean Hannity for Islamic-style terrorism, but their doctrine is no less violent or apocalyptic, nor are they incapable of tremendous harm. They believe that if Israel rebuilds the Temple in Jerusalem it will fulfill prophecies in the Book of Revelation, quickstart the Second Coming and they can all head up to Heaven. Many of the them believe that they can be 'raptured' and get to heaven without having to die, something that appeals to Boomers that never learned any higher value beyond their own gratification and wouldn't hesitate to end the world if it meant they could escape their own deaths.
And these are not harmless lunatics like flat-earthers either, nor are they without influence. George W Bush is reported to have referenced Christian Zionist interpretations of biblical prophecies to justify the Iraq War. He talked about Gog and Magog on the phone to Jacques Chirac in an attempt to convince him to join his war. At least a hundred thousand men, women and children, and several times that according to some estimates, died because of that war. Mike Pompeo, the cabinet minister in charge of American foreign policy during the latter part of the Trump presidency, was a Christian Zionist. Trump brushed shoulders with John Hagee, one of the most prominent leaders of Christian Zionism.
I believe in freedom of religion. I don't want Christian Zionism banned, not matter how bloodthirsty and insane it may be. But when someone with these believes uses a cabinet position to advance his religious agenda, we are no longer dealing with a matter of personal conscious but a political matter. Yet I heard not a word of suggestion that Mike Pompeo's religion might make him unsuitable for foreign minister. The last time the media suggested that someone was unsuitable for their position because of their religion, it was when Trump appointed another Catholic to the Supreme Court! The very idea of a Catholic trying to impose cannon law on America through the courts is laughable—yet that—not Pompeo's jihadi-esque eschatology, is what the boobtube thought we should be worred about.
To what end are we treated to nonstop hate propaganda against QAnoners, only to hear nothing when Christian Zionists are handed the controls to American foreign policy?
RE: With All the Anti-QAnon Hate, How Come We Never Hear About Christian Zionism?
April 5, 2021 at 9:55 pm (This post was last modified: April 5, 2021 at 9:56 pm by Seax.)
(April 5, 2021 at 9:50 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: You state that you don't believe in QAnon then go on to talk about QAnon and it's role, or lack thereof, on public policy.
Either you believe they exist or your don't.
Pick a side.
What? I said I don't share their believes, other than the stuff about the control of politicians through blackmail. I never said I don't believe that QAnon believers exist, though I am quite sure that 'QAnon' himself, the secret agent supposedly responsible for the 4chan posts that started the whole thing, is fictional.
RE: With All the Anti-QAnon Hate, How Come We Never Hear About Christian Zionism?
April 5, 2021 at 10:11 pm
I don't know enough about either Q or Z, other than possibly having been involved in a Zionist Pentecostal church in my youth, to properly comment on the thread.
RE: With All the Anti-QAnon Hate, How Come We Never Hear About Christian Zionism?
April 5, 2021 at 10:12 pm
What kind of shit media do you consume that christian dominionism isn't presented as a domestic threat OP?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: With All the Anti-QAnon Hate, How Come We Never Hear About Christian Zionism?
April 5, 2021 at 10:19 pm
(April 5, 2021 at 9:22 pm)Seax Wrote: On CBC in the last few months there has been a lot of time devoted to hate propaganda against QAnon believers. I don't personally believe in QAnon, though I suspect that the claim that politicians are controlled through claims of blackmail probably has a lot of truth to it.
But the rest of it—Trump as savior, the 4chan posts claiming to be from a government insider with Q-level clearance, the supernatural elements involving Satanism, the nigh schizophrenic claims that Trump's hand gestures are some kind of secret QAnon code, Trump remaining as secret president behind the scenes—all of this sounds pretty cooky to me, and it neither makes sense nor has any evidence. So far as I can tell though, none of it is any more detatched from reality than Young Earth Creationism or Black Hebrew Israeliism or Chick tracts or horoscopes or any number of other things I could name that most sensible men laugh at, while acknowledging that everyone has the right to his own foolishness. I've never seen the propagandists on Canadian state television cover any of these things as newsworthy, let alone carry out a weeks long hate propaganda campaign of the kind Chinese state media conducted against the Falun Gong in the Nineties. I have never seen such utter malice on the face of the newscasters, nor seen them violate so flagrantly Canada's hate speech laws, though I won't hold my breath waiting for anyone in the media or government to even hint at that.
QAnon has no influence on public policy, most of its own supporters have abandoned it because whatever 'plan' they were 'trusting' has obviously not worked out and as far as I know it has no political representation apart from a single eccentric Congresswoman. Most of the supporters one finds on social media are women in their thirties and forties. Hardly a demographic likely to pose a threat to public safety. It's a modern retelling of the old 'king in the mountain' myth, with a particularly American flavour. The sole reason QAnon is subjected to a hate campaign by the propaganda outlet of Washington's northern client state is because it throws some wildly unflattering accusations at American ruling class.
Contrast this with the near media silence on Christian Zionism, an eschatological Protestant denomination dominant within mainstream American evangelicalism. Christian Zionism is not merely Christians supporting the Israeli State, is is a theological system with remarkable, and frightening, similarities to the apocalyptic doctrine of ISIS. To those unfamiliar, the Islamic State believed that they were creating a Caliphate that were battling with 'Rome' (the West), in a final conflict to bring about the Day of Judgement. They appealed to Islamic fundamentalists across the world to join them for the end times.
Christian Zionists may be too enervated by sugary drinks and decades of watching of Sean Hannity for Islamic-style terrorism, but their doctrine is no less violent or apocalyptic, nor are they incapable of tremendous harm. They believe that if Israel rebuilds the Temple in Jerusalem it will fulfill prophecies in the Book of Revelation, quickstart the Second Coming and they can all head up to Heaven. Many of the them believe that they can be 'raptured' and get to heaven without having to die, something that appeals to Boomers that never learned any higher value beyond their own gratification and wouldn't hesitate to end the world if it meant they could escape their own deaths.
And these are not harmless lunatics like flat-earthers either, nor are they without influence. George W Bush is reported to have referenced Christian Zionist interpretations of biblical prophecies to justify the Iraq War. He talked about Gog and Magog on the phone to Jacques Chirac in an attempt to convince him to join his war. At least a hundred thousand men, women and children, and several times that according to some estimates, died because of that war. Mike Pompeo, the cabinet minister in charge of American foreign policy during the latter part of the Trump presidency, was a Christian Zionist. Trump brushed shoulders with John Hagee, one of the most prominent leaders of Christian Zionism.
I believe in freedom of religion. I don't want Christian Zionism banned, not matter how bloodthirsty and insane it may be. But when someone with these believes uses a cabinet position to advance his religious agenda, we are no longer dealing with a matter of personal conscious but a political matter. Yet I heard not a word of suggestion that Mike Pompeo's religion might make him unsuitable for foreign minister. The last time the media suggested that someone was unsuitable for their position because of their religion, it was when Trump appointed another Catholic to the Supreme Court! The very idea of a Catholic trying to impose cannon law on America through the courts is laughable—yet that—not Pompeo's jihadi-esque eschatology, is what the boobtube thought we should be worred about.
To what end are we treated to nonstop hate propaganda against QAnoners, only to hear nothing when Christian Zionists are handed the controls to American foreign policy?
Bold mine - You said you don't believe in QAnon....You did not say you don't share their beliefs.
Perhaps that is what you meant...it is NOT what you said.
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
RE: With All the Anti-QAnon Hate, How Come We Never Hear About Christian Zionism?
April 5, 2021 at 10:20 pm (This post was last modified: April 5, 2021 at 10:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
LOL, oh he believes in qanon, make no mistake, lol. He's a fucking nut.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: With All the Anti-QAnon Hate, How Come We Never Hear About Christian Zionism?
April 5, 2021 at 10:21 pm
(April 5, 2021 at 10:19 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(April 5, 2021 at 9:22 pm)Seax Wrote: On CBC in the last few months there has been a lot of time devoted to hate propaganda against QAnon believers. I don't personally believe in QAnon, though I suspect that the claim that politicians are controlled through claims of blackmail probably has a lot of truth to it.
But the rest of it—Trump as savior, the 4chan posts claiming to be from a government insider with Q-level clearance, the supernatural elements involving Satanism, the nigh schizophrenic claims that Trump's hand gestures are some kind of secret QAnon code, Trump remaining as secret president behind the scenes—all of this sounds pretty cooky to me, and it neither makes sense nor has any evidence. So far as I can tell though, none of it is any more detatched from reality than Young Earth Creationism or Black Hebrew Israeliism or Chick tracts or horoscopes or any number of other things I could name that most sensible men laugh at, while acknowledging that everyone has the right to his own foolishness. I've never seen the propagandists on Canadian state television cover any of these things as newsworthy, let alone carry out a weeks long hate propaganda campaign of the kind Chinese state media conducted against the Falun Gong in the Nineties. I have never seen such utter malice on the face of the newscasters, nor seen them violate so flagrantly Canada's hate speech laws, though I won't hold my breath waiting for anyone in the media or government to even hint at that.
QAnon has no influence on public policy, most of its own supporters have abandoned it because whatever 'plan' they were 'trusting' has obviously not worked out and as far as I know it has no political representation apart from a single eccentric Congresswoman. Most of the supporters one finds on social media are women in their thirties and forties. Hardly a demographic likely to pose a threat to public safety. It's a modern retelling of the old 'king in the mountain' myth, with a particularly American flavour. The sole reason QAnon is subjected to a hate campaign by the propaganda outlet of Washington's northern client state is because it throws some wildly unflattering accusations at American ruling class.
Contrast this with the near media silence on Christian Zionism, an eschatological Protestant denomination dominant within mainstream American evangelicalism. Christian Zionism is not merely Christians supporting the Israeli State, is is a theological system with remarkable, and frightening, similarities to the apocalyptic doctrine of ISIS. To those unfamiliar, the Islamic State believed that they were creating a Caliphate that were battling with 'Rome' (the West), in a final conflict to bring about the Day of Judgement. They appealed to Islamic fundamentalists across the world to join them for the end times.
Christian Zionists may be too enervated by sugary drinks and decades of watching of Sean Hannity for Islamic-style terrorism, but their doctrine is no less violent or apocalyptic, nor are they incapable of tremendous harm. They believe that if Israel rebuilds the Temple in Jerusalem it will fulfill prophecies in the Book of Revelation, quickstart the Second Coming and they can all head up to Heaven. Many of the them believe that they can be 'raptured' and get to heaven without having to die, something that appeals to Boomers that never learned any higher value beyond their own gratification and wouldn't hesitate to end the world if it meant they could escape their own deaths.
And these are not harmless lunatics like flat-earthers either, nor are they without influence. George W Bush is reported to have referenced Christian Zionist interpretations of biblical prophecies to justify the Iraq War. He talked about Gog and Magog on the phone to Jacques Chirac in an attempt to convince him to join his war. At least a hundred thousand men, women and children, and several times that according to some estimates, died because of that war. Mike Pompeo, the cabinet minister in charge of American foreign policy during the latter part of the Trump presidency, was a Christian Zionist. Trump brushed shoulders with John Hagee, one of the most prominent leaders of Christian Zionism.
I believe in freedom of religion. I don't want Christian Zionism banned, not matter how bloodthirsty and insane it may be. But when someone with these believes uses a cabinet position to advance his religious agenda, we are no longer dealing with a matter of personal conscious but a political matter. Yet I heard not a word of suggestion that Mike Pompeo's religion might make him unsuitable for foreign minister. The last time the media suggested that someone was unsuitable for their position because of their religion, it was when Trump appointed another Catholic to the Supreme Court! The very idea of a Catholic trying to impose cannon law on America through the courts is laughable—yet that—not Pompeo's jihadi-esque eschatology, is what the boobtube thought we should be worred about.
To what end are we treated to nonstop hate propaganda against QAnoners, only to hear nothing when Christian Zionists are handed the controls to American foreign policy?
Bold mine - You said you don't believe in QAnon....You did not say you don't share their beliefs.
Perhaps that is what you meant...it is NOT what you said.
There is a difference between believing in something & believing that other people believe in it. I was perfectly clear.
Do you believe in Christianity? I'm guessing not. That doesn't mean you deny the existence of Christians.
