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Imagine this...
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RE: Imagine this...
(May 2, 2021 at 9:42 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(May 2, 2021 at 8:35 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: And what does the economic status of Anderson Cooper have to do with this since it's stated that he relates a story?  Period.  Nothing whatever to do with a god loving the rich or the poor.

The media are owned by the very rich. They exist solely to sell a narrative, and they're extremely good at what they do. Stories which work against the narrative are generally ignored or lied about.

Anderson Cooper does not own the media.

But nice try.
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#12
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(May 2, 2021 at 8:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote: The decision would lie more with Mr. Cooper's executive producer than with him.  

If a person doesn't buy into the propaganda story he'll never work in a major news outlet, as producer or reader. 

Quote:My point in the OP is that no one reported it.

No one reported it in written sources that we know of. But strange stuff happens all the time in this world, even today, and we hear about very little of it.

Anyway, it's a category error to suppose that anything in the Bible was intended as straightforward reportage. It's allegory, intentional myth, based on traditional literary structures. If you're arguing that we shouldn't read it as disinterested objective journalism -- yeah, you're right. People who think of it that way are naive.

(May 2, 2021 at 9:43 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(May 2, 2021 at 9:42 pm)Belacqua Wrote: The media are owned by the very rich. They exist solely to sell a narrative, and they're extremely good at what they do. Stories which work against the narrative are generally ignored or lied about.

Anderson Cooper does not own the media.

But nice try.

He is a multimillionaire whose best interests are served by repeating the propaganda line. He probably even believes a lot of it.
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#13
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(May 2, 2021 at 7:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(May 2, 2021 at 11:48 am)Jehanne Wrote: Shortly thereafter Anderson Cooper appears on live TV

People may not know about Anderson Cooper's background.

His mother is Gloria Vanderbilt. He was raised in extreme luxury on the Upper East Side, and went to the most elite, well-connected prep schools. He worked for the CIA for a brief time, though it's impossible to say what connections he still has there.

(When I worked for an art gallery in NYC, some of his classmates were interns at the gallery. I found out later, when one of them was profiled in The New Yorker, that they are good friends with Cooper. They got the intern gig not for any skill or talent they had, but because their parents spent a lot of money there. When there was any work to be done they would make themselves scarce, but they were popular with the staff because they were generous with their cocaine.)

In other words, this may not be the best analogy to prove your point. If a savior did appear who said that God loves the poor more than the rich, and only those who give their money away will enter heaven, you can be absolutely sure that Anderson Cooper wouldn't report it.

btw - I knew who Cooper's mother was without having the benefit of working in an art gallery with his classmates in NEW....YORK....CITY!  Were you a janitor and pissed that the rich kids got the good gigs?
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#14
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At work.

Wait? While the rich elites of the ancient world were shilling their golden coins on propaganda. What where the rather literate Roman common folk doing?

You know. The masses living within the boarders of a civilization that stretched from the isle of Brittany into central Arabia-ish and including the North of Africa?

Not to mention the Persians. Who seemed pretty cluey in matters written and mathematical.

Or the extant empires in Asia?

Was there an imperial 'Media' conglometare or some such all holding propoganda hands and in cohoots as well?

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#15
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(May 2, 2021 at 10:16 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Was there an imperial 'Media' conglometare or some such all holding propoganda hands and in cohoots as well?

No of course not! People in those days could put their cel phone footage on line immediately, so the truth was well known. Not like today!

https://observer.com/2017/06/msnbc-steph...townhouse/
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#16
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At work.

You really should add emoticons to your posts when you're being facetious, Bel.

Jus' sayin'.
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#17
RE: Imagine this...
(May 2, 2021 at 11:01 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

You really should add emoticons to your posts when you're being facetious, Bel.

Jus' sayin'.

I'll summarize, in case your work schedule doesn't allow you to follow the conversation closely.

The OP's analogy puts Anderson Cooper in the role of the four evangelists, reporting an event that happened decades before.

I contend that Cooper is not a good candidate for that role, because he is a mouthpiece for the current oligarchy. (Just like Rachel Maddow, Tucker Carlson, and all the other big shots you can name.) The evangelists were not in the service of the Roman oligarchy, justifying violent policies and foreign wars. 

If you only want to say that certain people have an agenda and are not to be believed in a literal sense, then I guess this applies to both the evangelists and Cooper. Nonetheless their place in the hierarchy and their goals vis a vis power were very different, so the analogy is misleading at best. 

Much later, the New Testament was put into the service of power, and was defended as credible by the sheeple, just as Cooper's credibility is defended today. However at the time of writing the evangelists were not like this.
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#18
RE: Imagine this...
(May 2, 2021 at 11:34 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(May 2, 2021 at 11:01 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

You really should add emoticons to your posts when you're being facetious, Bel.

Jus' sayin'.

I'll summarize, in case your work schedule doesn't allow you to follow the conversation closely.

The OP's analogy puts Anderson Cooper in the role of the four evangelists, reporting an event that happened decades before.

I contend that Cooper is not a good candidate for that role, because he is a mouthpiece for the current oligarchy. (Just like Rachel Maddow, Tucker Carlson, and all the other big shots you can name.) The evangelists were not in the service of the Roman oligarchy, justifying violent policies and foreign wars. 

If you only want to say that certain people have an agenda and are not to be believed in a literal sense, then I guess this applies to both the evangelists and Cooper. Nonetheless their place in the hierarchy and their goals vis a vis power were very different, so the analogy is misleading at best. 

Much later, the New Testament was put into the service of power, and was defended as credible by the sheeple, just as Cooper's credibility is defended today. However at the time of writing the evangelists were not like this.

Read my OP.  CNN reports the "news flash" first, followed by one of their lead anchors.  Here's a quote from Josephus' The Jewish War (again, composed in 75 AD):

Quote:"On a later occasion he provoked a fresh uproar by expending upon the construction of an aqueduct the sacred treasure known as Corbonas; the water was brought from a distance of seventy kilometers. Indignant at this proceeding, the populace formed a ring round the tribunal of Pilate, then on a visit to Jerusalem, and besieged him with angry clamor. He, foreseeing the tumult, had interspersed among the crowd a troop of his soldiers, armed but disguised in civilian dress, with orders not to use their swords, but to beat any rioters with cudgels. He now from his tribunal gave the agreed signal. Large numbers of the Jews perished, some from the blows which they received, others trodden to death by their companions in the ensuing flight. Cowed by the fate of the victims, the multitude was reduced to silence." (Josephus, The Jewish War 2:175-177).

And, so, Pilate built an aqueduct, which caused some trouble among the locals.  Why does Josephus never mention the historical Jesus, some guy who was supposedly going around raising people from the dead, curing the blind, etc.?
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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(May 2, 2021 at 11:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Why does Josephus never mention the historical Jesus, some guy who was supposedly going around raising people from the dead, curing the blind, etc.?

Probably because the events as narrated in the gospels are fiction or much exaggerated.
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#20
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(May 2, 2021 at 11:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(May 2, 2021 at 11:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Why does Josephus never mention the historical Jesus, some guy who was supposedly going around raising people from the dead, curing the blind, etc.?

Probably because the events as narrated in the gospels are fiction or much exaggerated.

Which is also why the authors of Matthew and Luke felt the need to plagiarize from Mark's account, who himself makes errors of geography that no first century Palestinian would have made, which indicates that the author of Mark's Gospel was not from the area.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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