if jesus was real

[Rayaan]

Jesus according to the Islamic perspective (watch the first 2 minutes at least):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-WHi76Jc0

In the lecture above, he said that Jesus didn't even preach Christianity because the word "Christianity" doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible. Is that true?

[Anomalocaris]

Duh...

[DeistPaladin]

Jesus according to the Islamic perspective (watch the first 2 minutes at least):

Which isn't terribly relevant to a historical (not theological) discussion. We're discussing whether or not a historical Jesus existed at all and what we can know about him outside of the myths that were circulated about him. Islam itself came along several centuries later in another country and offers no historical documents from the time and place where Jesus would have lived. You can talk about Muslim theology and opinion all you like but that doesn't contribute anything to our historical understanding.

[Godscreated]

Because Jesus preached in a small Roman community called Judea

Once again, THE BIBLE SAYS OTHERWISE!

Did you read the verses I quoted earlier? They specify that Jesus preached far and wide and his fame spread like wildfire among all the neighboring provinces.

Go read your own Bible. Matthew 4:23-25.

I can provide more examples upon request.

The Jesus-of-the-gaps apology isn't Biblically supported.

I had posted before I saw your post or I would have included your post. Yes Jesus did preach in these places and His popularity did spread to close by places but His travel never carried Him far from Judea. Jesus popularity was for the most part His healing and He speaks to that several times in scripture. Many healers were around before and after Jesus and they are not recorded in history either, others who were calling themselves the messiah during the the days before and after Jesus are not recorded in history. The world was not interested in a Messiah that was teaching and healing in a small area of the world. The main importance of this region was the trade routes and this is probably the only interest Rome had for this area because it was a pain in the rear for them otherwise.

Why is it that none of the others that claimed to heal and be the messiah were not written about by their followers and the included in the Bible.

[Minimalist]

Once again, G-C trots out the GREAT XTIAN PARADOX.

"Jesus was so famous and so dangerous and had such a great following that the authorities had to break every fucking rule in their own book to hold a trial on Passover because it couldn't wait ONE MORE DAY...unless you trot out the GJohn which claims all this shit happened the day before Passover because your fucking gospels can never get their stories straight. Whatever. Yet, when arrested all those followers did jack shit to save his sorry ass. However, at the same time, he was so insignificant that no one paid the slightest attention to him or bothered to mention any of the bullshit miracles which were attributed to him."


Make up your mind, G-C. Either he was famous, popular, and dangerous or he was unknown and inconsequential.

Judaea was hardly the backwater of the Empire that you portray it to be thanks to Herod the Great and his massive building projects and Jewish writers such as Philo have nothing to say about your godboy, either. For that matter, the Dead Sea Scrolls never heard of him and Josephus ( and Justin of Tiberias ) wrote histories which later xtians found so embarrassing that they added references to the godboy to Josephus and burned Justin's work.

There is NO physical evidence that your godboy ever existed and the only non-canonical ( i.e. non bullshit ) historical writings are outright forgeries or wishful thinking.

[reverendjeremiah]

Friedrich Nietzsche is dead ... GOD

A casual stroll through hell proves that faith is everything...GOD

Could you show me in the bible where god says theses things? If not, I must ask you; Do you normally make up stuff like this and claim that God said them?

[Anomalocaris]

Could you show me in the bible where god says theses things? If not, I must ask you; Do you normally make up stuff like this and claim that God said them?

What's the difference? Why not move the bullshiting from the author side of the bible to the reader side? It's not like the quality of the bullshit could possibly have room to suffer.

[DeistPaladin]

Yes Jesus did preach in these places and His popularity did spread to close by places but His travel never carried Him far from Judea.

His fame allegedly spread far and wide, however much or little Jesus is said to have traveled.

Matthew 4:24-25 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people... And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.

Not exactly supportive of "he was just another doomcrier of the time that few paid any attention to".

Want more:

- A rich man seeks out Jesus to ask what must be done to be saved, inspiring the camel and the eye of a needle quote. Mark 10:17
- Jesus resurrects Lazarus, apparently a noteworthy man who's resurrection should have gotten attention. John 11
- Jesus is treated to a banquet and a massage by apparently a wealthy man. Matt 26:6
- A centurion seeks out Jesus to heal his servant. Matt 8:5
- Herod Antipas talked about Jesus, wondering if he was John the Baptist resurrected. Matt 14
- As Matt 4:23-24 stated, people came from all over nearby provinces to be healed by Jesus, including the story of one woman wealthy enough to seek other physicians and finally came to Jesus to touch his cloak and be healed. Mark 5:25
- And of course the triumphant entry into Jerusalem.

Why is it that none of the others that claimed to heal and be the messiah were not written about by their followers and the included in the Bible.

Because they also never existed or their miracles were bogus.