Marxism, what you got?

[Ahriman]

I don’t get why some people have such a problem with Marx. He was brilliant, with or without his brothers.

Boru

Hard agree from me.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don’t get why some people have such a problem with Marx. He was brilliant, with or without his brothers.

Boru

Hard agree from me.

Then I’m clearly wrong.

Boru

[Spongebob]

Uh huh
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So tell us genius -

Which Marxist state do you see that the world is beating down their door to emigrate into?

When are YOU moving there?


I' m sure it's a paradise.....

You don't have to be a genius to understand the basics of Marxism, and what it's not.

But then again, you do need an IQ over 50

I'm sure it's fun living like that

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I've got to take some good advice about how to stay happy...never argue with stupid people.

[Ahriman]

Marx' ideology made it so I can work in a bakery and not have to worry about money.......LOL I have won at life.

[Spongebob]

I don’t get why some people have such a problem with Marx. He was brilliant, with or without his brothers.

Boru

The key to understanding Marx, aside from having an IQ above 50, is that he saw how workers were being exploited by the newly developing industrialization of society and realized that wasn't much better than how peasants were treated by the aristocracy.  In some cases the treatment was much worse.  It wasn't true in every factory, but was widespread and was dependent upon how much each factory owner cared for the workers.  There were some who did a pretty good job of taking care of people but of course this was the get-rich opportunity of the era so many of them capitalized as much as possible.  All some people think of when you say Marx is Stalinist Russia or Castro's Cuba, both terrible examples and the point I was making with this thread despite the attempt of some people to drag it down to the same base argument.  Sheese.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Uh huh
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So tell us genius -

Which Marxist state do you see that the world is beating down their door to emigrate into?

When are YOU moving there?


I' m sure it's a paradise.....

Find me an actual Marxist state that actually follows Marxist philosophy and not just an Oligarchy that uses Marx's name and I would happily go there.

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I don’t get why some people have such a problem with Marx. He was brilliant, with or without his brothers.

Boru

The key to understanding Marx, aside from having an IQ above 50, is that he saw how workers were being exploited by the newly developing industrialization of society and realized that wasn't much better than how peasants were treated by the aristocracy.  In some cases the treatment was much worse.  It wasn't true in every factory, but was widespread and was dependent upon how much each factory owner cared for the workers.  There were some who did a pretty good job of taking care of people but of course this was the get-rich opportunity of the era so many of them capitalized as much as possible.  All some people think of when you say Marx is Stalinist Russia or Castro's Cuba, both terrible examples and the point I was making with this thread despite the attempt of some people to drag it down to the same base argument.  Sheese.

The Soviet Union is as representative of Marx's as Augusto Pinochet's Chile is representative of Capitalism

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don’t get why some people have such a problem with Marx. He was brilliant, with or without his brothers.

Boru

The key to understanding Marx, aside from having an IQ above 50, is that he saw how workers were being exploited by the newly developing industrialization of society and realized that wasn't much better than how peasants were treated by the aristocracy.  In some cases the treatment was much worse.  It wasn't true in every factory, but was widespread and was dependent upon how much each factory owner cared for the workers.  There were some who did a pretty good job of taking care of people but of course this was the get-rich opportunity of the era so many of them capitalized as much as possible.  All some people think of when you say Marx is Stalinist Russia or Castro's Cuba, both terrible examples and the point I was making with this thread despite the attempt of some people to drag it down to the same base argument.  Sheese.

I always thought the key to understanding Marx was the cigar, the shoe-polish mustache, and the rapid-fire wit.

Boru

[HappySkeptic]

The key to understanding Marx, aside from having an IQ above 50, is that he saw how workers were being exploited by the newly developing industrialization of society and realized that wasn't much better than how peasants were treated by the aristocracy.  In some cases the treatment was much worse.  It wasn't true in every factory, but was widespread and was dependent upon how much each factory owner cared for the workers.  There were some who did a pretty good job of taking care of people but of course this was the get-rich opportunity of the era so many of them capitalized as much as possible.  All some people think of when you say Marx is Stalinist Russia or Castro's Cuba, both terrible examples and the point I was making with this thread despite the attempt of some people to drag it down to the same base argument.  Sheese.

The point he was making has nothing to do with whether Marxism as an economic system can work, and can it work in a free society.  My opinion is no.

I used to read the local Marxist/Lenonist propaganda newspapers strewn around campus.  They were hilarious.

[Spongebob]

The point he was making has nothing to do with whether Marxism as an economic system can work, and can it work in a free society.  My opinion is no.

I used to read the local Marxist/Lenonist propaganda newspapers strewn around campus.  They were hilarious.

Not sure I follow your intent, but if it was to point out that this thread was never intended to promote Marxism or argue that it was a good option, then you are correct.  My point was to discuss what Marxism actually is versus what right wingers think it is.

[The Architect Of Fate]

The point he was making has nothing to do with whether Marxism as an economic system can work, and can it work in a free society.  My opinion is no.

Of course, it can that was Marx's whole point. It only can't if you define freedom by Capitalist standards 

I used to read the local Marxist/Lenonist propaganda newspapers strewn around campus.  They were hilarious.

Yeah, I have read tons of low-grade nutty capitalist literature (Ancaps are fucking insane). An idealogy can't be defined by low-hanging fruit.