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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:15 am
(April 24, 2022 at 12:24 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: (April 23, 2022 at 6:11 pm)Astreja Wrote: Huggy may be okay with letting someone die in his place. I'm not.
Let me stop you there... I'm sure you had dinner today, which had to sacrifice it's life to sustain yours, we place no morality on cases of survival. Therefor the same laws that apply naturally apply spiritually. As natural man has to consume food to survive, so does the spirit man, Hence why Jesus states "I am the bread that came down from heaven" and " Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."
The only difference is, Jesus gave his life willingly, the animal y'all ate, not so much...
Huggy, I do not believe in "spiritual" laws. At all. I believe that there are no benefits whatsoever to accepting the long-weekend pseudo-sacrifice of the heavily mythologized "Jesus" character. I believe with 100% certainty that "salvation" is mythical, that at the end of our lives we're just going to our respective graves and staying there, and that every prayer you have ever uttered is just wasted breath.
I reject substitutionary atonement unconditionally. If there ever was a real-life Jesus who believed that he was dying for my sake, well, sucks to be him.
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:18 am
(April 24, 2022 at 1:15 am)Astreja Wrote: (April 24, 2022 at 12:24 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: Let me stop you there... I'm sure you had dinner today, which had to sacrifice it's life to sustain yours, we place no morality on cases of survival. Therefor the same laws that apply naturally apply spiritually. As natural man has to consume food to survive, so does the spirit man, Hence why Jesus states "I am the bread that came down from heaven" and " Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."
The only difference is, Jesus gave his life willingly, the animal y'all ate, not so much...
Huggy, I do not believe in "spiritual" laws. At all. I believe that there are no benefits whatsoever to accepting the long-weekend pseudo-sacrifice of the heavily mythologized "Jesus" character. I believe with 100% certainty that "salvation" is mythical, that at the end of our lives we're just going to our respective graves and staying there, and that every prayer you have ever uttered is just wasted breath.
I reject substitutionary atonement unconditionally. If there ever was a real-life Jesus who believed that he was dying for my sake, well, sucks to be him. Your talking to a guy who Equates eating a bucket of KFC to human sacrifice. But hey the human sacrifice was voluntary so the total makes a difference somehow
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:22 am
(April 24, 2022 at 1:09 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:Both are sacrifices dummy, also aren't humans animals according to evolution?
Once again comparing Human sacrifice to the consumption of animals and yes humans are animals that really aside the point ...Dummy *emphasis mine*
This is my last response to you, because engaging with you is pointless.
The reason you consume animals is because you'd die if you didn't, therefore the animal is sacrificing it's life for yours. You can't have eternal life with Jesus sacrifice, it's literally a 1 to 1 comparison, even more so since you just stated that humans are animals.
(April 24, 2022 at 1:09 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:That's not an answer to the question, furthermore Jesus wasn't demanded to do anything, He's God... who's making the demand?
Yes, it is. There is no human sacrafice inviolved in a pardon. The question was, "Does a pardon absolve one of their misdeeds?", stop with the strawman arguments.
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:37 am
This is last response because you can't respond dummy.
Quote:This is my last response to you, because engaging with you is pointless.
The reason you consume animals is because you'd die if you didn't, therefore the animal is sacrificing it's life for yours. You can't have eternal life with Jesus sacrifice, it's literally a 1 to 1 comparison, even more so since you just stated that humans are animals.
Once again comparing eating KFC to human sacrifice. It's, not a one-on-one caparison, and repeating it doesn't make it anymore so.
Quote:The question was, "Does a pardon absolve one of their misdeeds?", stop with the strawman arguments.
And the response is no pardon requires a human sacrifice or someone else to take the punishment for someone else to absolve a crime. So your question is pointless nor am i engaging in straw-manning
You lose again mook
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:38 am
(April 24, 2022 at 1:15 am)Astreja Wrote: (April 24, 2022 at 12:24 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: Let me stop you there... I'm sure you had dinner today, which had to sacrifice it's life to sustain yours, we place no morality on cases of survival. Therefor the same laws that apply naturally apply spiritually. As natural man has to consume food to survive, so does the spirit man, Hence why Jesus states "I am the bread that came down from heaven" and " Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."
The only difference is, Jesus gave his life willingly, the animal y'all ate, not so much...
Huggy, I do not believe in "spiritual" laws. At all. I believe that there are no benefits whatsoever to accepting the long-weekend pseudo-sacrifice of the heavily mythologized "Jesus" character. I believe with 100% certainty that "salvation" is mythical, that at the end of our lives we're just going to our respective graves and staying there, and that every prayer you have ever uttered is just wasted breath.
I reject substitutionary atonement unconditionally. If there ever was a real-life Jesus who believed that he was dying for my sake, well, sucks to be him.
I know you don't believe in spiritual laws, that doesn't stop atheists from stating how immoral vicarious redemption is. The point was is 'vicarious redemption' no more immoral than the practices you currently engage in.
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:41 am
(April 24, 2022 at 1:37 am)Helios Wrote: This is last response because you can't respond dummy.
Quote:This is my last response to you, because engaging with you is pointless.
The reason you consume animals is because you'd die if you didn't, therefore the animal is sacrificing it's life for yours. You can't have eternal life with Jesus sacrifice, it's literally a 1 to 1 comparison, even more so since you just stated that humans are animals.
Once again comparing eating KFC to human sacrifice. It's, not a one-on-one caparison, and repeating it doesn't make it anymore so.
Quote:The question was, "Does a pardon absolve one of their misdeeds?", stop with the strawman arguments.
And the response is no pardon requires a human sacrifice or someone else to take the punishment for someone else to absolve a crime. So your question is pointless nor am i engaging in straw-manning
You lose again mook
Ok, this is pointless, you're the first to get on my ignore list since I joined, congrats.
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:43 am
(April 24, 2022 at 1:41 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: (April 24, 2022 at 1:37 am)Helios Wrote: This is last response because you can't respond dummy.
Once again comparing eating KFC to human sacrifice. It's, not a one-on-one caparison, and repeating it doesn't make it anymore so.
And the response is no pardon requires a human sacrifice or someone else to take the punishment for someone else to absolve a crime. So your question is pointless nor am i engaging in straw-manning
You lose again mook
Ok, this is pointless, you're the first to get on my ignore list since I joined, congrats.
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:46 am
Quote:I know you don't believe in spiritual laws, that doesn't stop atheists from stating how immoral vicarious redemption is. The point was is 'vicarious redemption' no more immoral than the practices you currently engage in.
Eating chicken and Demanding a blood sacrifice to absolve you of crimes are totally different. Vicarious redemption is immoral full stop
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:52 am
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RE: Stupid things religious people say
April 24, 2022 at 1:56 am
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