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First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
#11
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
You've never heard of the Nicene Creed and yet you don't consider yourself ignorant?

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#12
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
(September 18, 2021 at 12:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 18, 2021 at 8:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you aren’t ‘exposing’ anything. The Council of Nicaea is one of those ‘everybody knows’ things.

And it’s not really news that heretics get butchered - this is a feature of religions, not a bug. It’s also more than a little disingenuous of you to suddenly complain about this feature, since you’ve repeatedly gloried in the deaths of non-Muslims, you self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrite.

Boru

If that council was so "well known and recognized" to be the source of the decree taken by the church to recognize "Jesus" as a heavenly son of God, then why isn't the difference stated clearly between "Nicene Christians" and between "normal Christians"?

According to the standards we are all familiar with; "Nicene Christianity" is a cult adopted by Rome that crushed most -if not all- normal Christians and dominated through the might of the Roman empire. 

Just like Shiite Muslims are a cult, Sunni Muslims are a cult. Each had an empire backing it up once.

I never heard about that council; that council and the decree resulting from it -which the Roman Church adopts- is hidden and concealed behind walls of text and countless words from the Roman Christian institution.

You realize that you are talking to a bunch of atheists, right? Christianity did have its splits, Catholicism versus Arianism, and then, Catholicism versus Eastern Orthodoxy, the latter having more splits. Of course, Protestantism followed with even more splits.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#13
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
Oh good, the resident Muslim is teaching the mainly former Christians about Christianity.

This oughta be good.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#14
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
(September 18, 2021 at 12:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote: If that council was so "well known and recognized" to be the source of the decree taken by the church to recognize "Jesus" as a heavenly son of God, then why isn't the difference stated clearly between "Nicene Christians" and between "normal Christians"?
Everybody knows about Nicaea nowadays. Its part of every school curriculum (in "the west").


(September 18, 2021 at 12:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I never heard about that council; that council and the decree resulting from it -
Obviously the education system of the country you were raised in sucked, or having been grown up in a muslim country of the middle east, Nicaea wasnt really all that relevant for curriculum.

However thinking because you do not know something everybody else doesnt know either, now that really shows again what an idiot you are. At least, you could have asked "have you guys ever heared of Nicaea?"...but you didnt, assuming by default that everybody is just as uneducated and uninformed as you are.

P.S.: Its time for you to acknowledge that you are not one of the most informed people on this board, but one of the most ignorant. From that point on you could try to work on this and get schooled.....no, i am just joking. You want to stay the ignorant fuck you are. Hilarious
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#15
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
(September 18, 2021 at 12:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 18, 2021 at 8:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you aren’t ‘exposing’ anything. The Council of Nicaea is one of those ‘everybody knows’ things.

And it’s not really news that heretics get butchered - this is a feature of religions, not a bug. It’s also more than a little disingenuous of you to suddenly complain about this feature, since you’ve repeatedly gloried in the deaths of non-Muslims, you self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrite.

Boru

If that council was so "well known and recognized" to be the source of the decree taken by the church to recognize "Jesus" as a heavenly son of God, then why isn't the difference stated clearly between "Nicene Christians" and between "normal Christians"?

According to the standards we are all familiar with; "Nicene Christianity" is a cult adopted by Rome that crushed most -if not all- normal Christians and dominated through the might of the Roman empire. 

Just like Shiite Muslims are a cult, Sunni Muslims are a cult. Each had an empire backing it up once.

I never heard about that council; that council and the decree resulting from it -which the Roman Church adopts- is hidden and concealed behind walls of text and countless words from the Roman Christian institution.

1. Because ‘Nicene Christians’ ARE ‘normal Christians’, you boob. 

2. No. Nicene Christianity isn’t a cult. It is the normative form of Christianity. The Arianists were the heretical cult. Even before the Council, the overwhelming majority of rank-and-file Christians accepted the eternal Godhood of Jesus without question. The Arian Controversy was largely a spat between bishops.

3. Your face is a cult.

4. I am not responsible for your ignorance.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#16
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
(September 18, 2021 at 1:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 18, 2021 at 12:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote: If that council was so "well known and recognized" to be the source of the decree taken by the church to recognize "Jesus" as a heavenly son of God, then why isn't the difference stated clearly between "Nicene Christians" and between "normal Christians"?

According to the standards we are all familiar with; "Nicene Christianity" is a cult adopted by Rome that crushed most -if not all- normal Christians and dominated through the might of the Roman empire. 

Just like Shiite Muslims are a cult, Sunni Muslims are a cult. Each had an empire backing it up once.

I never heard about that council; that council and the decree resulting from it -which the Roman Church adopts- is hidden and concealed behind walls of text and countless words from the Roman Christian institution.

1. Because ‘Nicene Christians’ ARE ‘normal Christians’, you boob. 

2. No. Nicene Christianity isn’t a cult. It is the normative form of Christianity. The Arianists were the heretical cult. Even before the Council, the overwhelming majority of rank-and-file Christians accepted the eternal Godhood of Jesus without question. The Arian Controversy was largely a spat between bishops.

3. Your face is a cult.

4. I am not responsible for your ignorance.

Boru

1- I never heard about the prefix "Nicene" preceding the identification of Christian neo-cultics that believe Jesus is son of God.

2-No. Nicene Christianity is a cult and actually had a big opposition; reaching the emperor of Rome himself; thus the council was held in the first place:


Quote:It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being. Pope  did not attend the council but was represented by legates.

https://www.britannica.com/event/First-C...Nicaea-325

3- You're a trinity.
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#17
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
(September 18, 2021 at 1:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 18, 2021 at 1:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 1. Because ‘Nicene Christians’ ARE ‘normal Christians’, you boob. 

2. No. Nicene Christianity isn’t a cult. It is the normative form of Christianity. The Arianists were the heretical cult. Even before the Council, the overwhelming majority of rank-and-file Christians accepted the eternal Godhood of Jesus without question. The Arian Controversy was largely a spat between bishops.

3. Your face is a cult.

4. I am not responsible for your ignorance.

Boru

1- I never heard about the prefix "Nicene" preceding the identification of Christian neo-cultics that believe Jesus is son of God.

2-No. Nicene Christianity is a cult and actually had a big opposition; reaching the emperor of Rome himself; thus the council was held in the first place:


Quote:It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being. Pope  did not attend the council but was represented by legates.

https://www.britannica.com/event/First-C...Nicaea-325

3- You're a trinity.

That excerpt says it all - Arianism was the heresy, what you’ve chosen to call ‘Nicene Christianity’ was the norm and, hence, not a cult.


Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#18
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
Winters claim:
(September 18, 2021 at 1:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote: 2-No. Nicene Christianity is a cult and actually had a big opposition; reaching the emperor of Rome himself; thus the council was held in the first place:

Supporting evidence presented by Winter:
Quote:...problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy..

Evidence that debunks his claim
Hehe
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#19
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
(September 18, 2021 at 2:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 18, 2021 at 1:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote: 1- I never heard about the prefix "Nicene" preceding the identification of Christian neo-cultics that believe Jesus is son of God.

2-No. Nicene Christianity is a cult and actually had a big opposition; reaching the emperor of Rome himself; thus the council was held in the first place:



https://www.britannica.com/event/First-C...Nicaea-325

3- You're a trinity.

That excerpt says it all - Arianism was the heresy, what you’ve chosen to call ‘Nicene Christianity’ was the norm and, hence, not a cult.


Boru

It does say it all, it says "Rome called the opinion it didn't like -which originated in the Eastern church- a "heresy".
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#20
RE: First Council of Nicaea: when Christianity was deformed and Jesus named son of God.
(September 18, 2021 at 4:18 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 18, 2021 at 2:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That excerpt says it all - Arianism was the heresy, what you’ve chosen to call ‘Nicene Christianity’ was the norm and, hence, not a cult.


Boru

It does say it all, it says "Rome called the opinion it didn't like -which originated in the Eastern church- a "heresy".

And the heresy is what made them a cult. That’s very nearly the definition of a cult - a relatively small group of people with a heterodox religious opinion.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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