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New music, Old music
#31
RE: New music, Old music
(September 27, 2021 at 6:20 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Does anyone else feel like, old music gets preserved well beyond its expiration date? And old bands have been musically irrelevant for a long time, as in, they don't put out good music anymore? And people are trying to keep the bands' legacies alive in an inappropriate manner, to the point that it actually stifles up and coming creativity? Don't get me wrong, there are some old bands that I really love, such as Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Metallica. I just feel like people shouldn't gush over old bands and keep the music scene trapped in the past, always trying to live up to old standards. There are newer artists I listen to, such as Carly Rae Jepsen, Billie Eilish, and Grimes, who really take modern music to a really great place, and it would be really cool if more modern artists did novel stuff with their music. People shouldn't gatekeep old bands, they're old news. Let's bring in the new.

Don't look now, but ABBA has a new album coming out. But to be somewhat fair, also being a Pat Benatar fan, she got old, to me, after her "Wide Awake in Dreamland" album.

And to be fair to humanity, I think most of sane people can appreciate Beethoven's 5th, but would not today want him to run a record company today. There was a disco version of Beethoven's 5th put out in the 70s. 

I think while it is right to innovate new music, I also think it is important to remember history, and the artists of old that make an impact always influence the new. 

Being an Abba fan, I only look forward to the nostalgia no matter how brief. But in my life, my musical tastes, have always grown and moved. If someone can listen to ABBA one song, then Metallica the next, then Snoop Dog the next, that does not say to me someone is stuck in a rut.
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#32
RE: New music, Old music
(September 27, 2021 at 6:29 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 27, 2021 at 6:27 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: I often lament that Mozart isn't putting out any good music any more.  It always seems to be the same stuff.
Classical music is definitely good, but also boring.

I suppose that' s true if you have the attention span of a gnat with ADD......


Some of us can appreciate beauty even when it' s hundreds or even thousands of years old.
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#33
RE: New music, Old music
(September 28, 2021 at 1:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 27, 2021 at 6:20 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Does anyone else feel like, old music gets preserved well beyond its expiration date? And old bands have been musically irrelevant for a long time, as in, they don't put out good music anymore? And people are trying to keep the bands' legacies alive in an inappropriate manner, to the point that it actually stifles up and coming creativity? Don't get me wrong, there are some old bands that I really love, such as Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Metallica. I just feel like people shouldn't gush over old bands and keep the music scene trapped in the past, always trying to live up to old standards. There are newer artists I listen to, such as Carly Rae Jepsen, Billie Eilish, and Grimes, who really take modern music to a really great place, and it would be really cool if more modern artists did novel stuff with their music. People shouldn't gatekeep old bands, they're old news. Let's bring in the new.

Don't look now, but ABBA has a new album coming out. But to be somewhat fair, also being a Pat Benatar fan, she got old, to me, after her "Wide Awake in Dreamland" album.

And to be fair to humanity, I think most of sane people can appreciate Beethoven's 5th, but would not today want him to run a record company today. There was a disco version of Beethoven's 5th put out in the 70s. 

I think while it is right to innovate new music, I also think it is important to remember history, and the artists of old that make an impact always influence the new. 

Being an Abba fan, I only look forward to the nostalgia no matter how brief. But in my life, my musical tastes, have always grown and moved. If someone can listen to ABBA one song, then Metallica the next, then Snoop Dog the next, that does not say to me someone is stuck in a rut.

Problem is that's all that music is nowadays, rehashing the old music in new ,  more interesting ways. To OLB's point, I feel it's a feature of the modern generation and their decreasing attention span to not take the time necessary for originality, in a lot of cases.
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#34
RE: New music, Old music
(September 28, 2021 at 1:50 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(September 27, 2021 at 6:29 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Classical music is definitely good, but also boring.

I suppose that' s true if you have the attention span of a gnat with ADD......


Some of us can appreciate beauty even when it' s hundreds or even thousands of years old.

And some of us even have tickets for the local Symphony this Saturday night! (waves piece of paper with QR-coded ticket that showed up in her inbox this afternoon)   Cool


(September 28, 2021 at 2:54 pm)tackattack Wrote: Problem is that's all that music is nowadays, rehashing the old music in new ,  more interesting ways.

More often than not, they're not interesting at all. I'm particularly annoyed by cover versions that try to sound like the originals, rather than heading off in some new direction.
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#35
RE: New music, Old music
(September 28, 2021 at 3:01 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(September 28, 2021 at 1:50 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I suppose that' s true if you have the attention span of a gnat with ADD......


Some of us can appreciate beauty even when it' s hundreds or even thousands of years old.

And some of us even have tickets for the local Symphony this Saturday night! (waves piece of paper with QR-coded ticket that showed up in her inbox this afternoon)   Cool
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#36
RE: New music, Old music
There are only two kinds of music... good and bad!

I enjoy many different types, from classical, to trad jazz, to rock and everything in between

the only exceptions are counrty and rap which I regard as acoustic torture
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#37
RE: New music, Old music
(September 27, 2021 at 6:20 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Does anyone else feel like, old music gets preserved well beyond its expiration date? And old bands have been musically irrelevant for a long time, as in, they don't put out good music anymore? And people are trying to keep the bands' legacies alive in an inappropriate manner, to the point that it actually stifles up and coming creativity? Don't get me wrong, there are some old bands that I really love, such as Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Metallica. I just feel like people shouldn't gush over old bands and keep the music scene trapped in the past, always trying to live up to old standards. There are newer artists I listen to, such as Carly Rae Jepsen, Billie Eilish, and Grimes, who really take modern music to a really great place, and it would be really cool if more modern artists did novel stuff with their music. People shouldn't gatekeep old bands, they're old news. Let's bring in the new.

The way I look at, good music is good music, no matter how old or new it is, and I am quite eclectic in my musical tastes, I sort of like it all: Jazz, Classical, Baroque, Folk, Country, Alternative, Japanese Pop, Bluegrass, Latin, etc. From Medieval madrigals to the Beetles to Sia to Billie Eilish, good music will stand the test of time. Just remember, 40 years from now you yourself will pine for the days of your generation's music, wondering what he hell is going on with your kid's generation of music. I wouldn't worry about creativity though. Talent finds a way.

(September 27, 2021 at 9:51 pm)brewer Wrote:
(September 27, 2021 at 9:22 pm)Ahriman Wrote: It sucks that I even have to be serious about something like this. Music should be all about having fun, whether it's channeling anger, or laughter, or youthful exuberance.......if your spirit is dancing (or moshing) along to the music, all is right with the world. But a lot of people want to make things complicated, so people like me have to step in and set things straight.

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Oooga-Chaka, ohhh yeah!!
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(September 28, 2021 at 12:50 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(September 27, 2021 at 6:29 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Classical music is definitely good, but also boring.

Go see the 1812 Overture. If you start to nod off, you’ll almost certainly be awoken by the cannon fire. And here’s a picture I took of an actual mortar firing during the last minute of the piece at Ravinia two years ago:

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Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, one of my favs, Romantic Period. Nothing like a loud boom to make you feel alive.
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#38
RE: New music, Old music
@Secular Elf

I am a big fan of Japanese pop.
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#39
RE: New music, Old music
(September 28, 2021 at 9:40 am)Ranjr Wrote:
(September 28, 2021 at 9:31 am)Ahriman Wrote: It has nothing to do with the quality of the music. Older people just want to feel young, so they extend their youth through listening to music that makes them feel young.

Nostalgia is involved to a degree, but does not explain young people listening to old music, which happens more than you want to admit.  It's why older acts are still relevant.

And no, music that has not been forgot is remembered because it's really good.  But of course, I don't expect to actually consider the quality of music you hear because you are young and just want to feel young.

Exactly. I have a grand niece in her early 20s who appreciates music from the 60s 70s and 80s as well as music from her own generation.
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#40
RE: New music, Old music
My taste is music is pretty varied and it covers several decades...from stuff my parents were listening to in the 60s to some of the newer stuff with what my kids liked along the way.

I don't understand the concept of giving up on an era of music or a musician/band just because of the age of the tune.

I'm sure there are people who have books they have read many times over and even those written years before. Good is good. Some things are timeless and some don't hold up quite so well and feel dated.

We old people aren't necessarily looking to feel young...we have a larger discography to choose from than the younger people do. And keep in mind that musicians draw influences from those who went before.
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