Too PC for me.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Apart from the trans debate, what is the difference between pretend and authentic? This matters in many parts of life not generally considered polical. In art for example known forgeries, no matter how well executed, rarely command the respect of originals. Putting a hood ornament on a chevy does not transform it into a real Benteley. Even as far back a Plato, the distinction between appearance and actual mattered. So it seems to me, whether or not someone who alters their appearance now truly qualifies as what they appear to be means first having a grip on the meaning of authenticity, etc.

[The Architect Of Fate]

If a person is genuinely trans (as in they are not consciously trying to deceive people) why shouldn't you respect them? And even if they are so what? The existence of pretenders does not take away from genuine trans people.

[Neo-Scholastic]

If a person is genuinely trans (as in they are not consciously trying to deceive people) why shouldn't you respect them? And even if they are so what? The existence of pretenders does not take away from genuine trans people.

The trans discussion just made me wonder about the larger concept. May start a serious thread about it.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Apart from the trans debate, what is the difference between pretend and authentic? This matters in many parts of life not generally considered polical. In art for example known forgeries, no matter how well executed, rarely command the respect of originals. Putting a hood ornament on a chevy does not transform it into a real Benteley. Even as far back a Plato, the distinction between appearance and actual mattered. So it seems to me, whether or not someone who alters their appearance now truly qualifies as what they appear to be means first having a grip on the meaning of authenticity, etc.

Authentic would be one of the last words people would use for let's say the Kardashians, who are full of plastic and all got face lifts. I think most people know that trans people have not magically changed their DNA. Of course, some trans activists are trying to change the meaning of sex to just mean that you have the appearance or sexual characteristics of a bio woman, AKA breasts, etc, but this definition of sex is not yet widely accepted, I don't think, and hopefully won't be anytime soon.

For me, a cisgendered normie, I don't see myself as my body, really. My body is really just a vehicle for me to get around in and to help me get tasks accomplished. I see myself much more as my consciousness than I do as my body. I suspect trans people see things similarly. If they're born with a male's body but their brain feels a lot more on the feminine side, I just see that as a brain chemistry issue. This is what their brain is telling them, and this is how they experience consciousness, so this is where I think you can say they really are that gender. Are they factually that gender though? Well, gender is only a social construct, so you can say that they are not factually that gender, but this is their real, conscious experience based on the chemistry of their brain, so who am I to say that their conscious experience is 'wrong'? So, as far as I'm concerned, they are authentically being who they are, and that is the case whether we want to consider their new bodies authentic or not.

[Irreligious Atheist]

'Morbid obesity' added to terms you can no longer use in polite society according to the American Medical Association. https://reclaimthenet.org/ama-language-g...-fairness/

How is this going to help morbidly obese individuals who are in the process of eating themselves to death?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

'Morbid obesity' added to terms you can no longer use in polite society according to the American Medical Association. https://reclaimthenet.org/ama-language-g...-fairness/

How is this going to help morbidly obese individuals who are in the process of eating themselves to death?

 Really. Didn't know that.

I have a friend who weighs around 240kg  (over 500lbs)  He is invalid. IE he can walk from room to room in his house, with effort. Outside less than 100 metres. 

His weight is going to kill him. (I asked my doctor). What's the polite euphemism he can use to pretend it's not happening?
I'm an alcoholic, and have been in recovery going on 20 years. I'm not offended by the term. What, are we going back to the nineteenth century and 'dipsomaniac' ?

Fortunately the American Medical Association doesn't decide which medical terms are socially acceptable in Australia.

It's that kind of soft, gutless language which took us from "Shell Shock" to "Battle Fatigue" to "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" (with apologies to George Carlin)

Fuck their political correctness and the disingenuous attitude that we mustn't offend others or the world will end.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Accept they didn't do that and Reclaimthenet is a nutter site

[Irreligious Atheist]

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/am...-guide.pdf

Scroll down to page 8, Mr. Helios.

Instead of this... The obese or the morbidly obese, try this... People with obesity; people with severe obesity.

So, you can say that someone HAS obesity, but you shouldn't say they ARE obese. And you can't say morbid, because that word is related to disease and death. Morbid obesity is a death sentence and there was no good reason to get rid of the morbid label.

[The Architect Of Fate]

And as usual, you miss my point

1. No one is forcing anybody those terms as you were implying "try this " is a suggestion

2. There is nothing wrong with using severe obesity it more than covers the term. The morbid isn't needed.

Again this is you and the fringe loons making a mountain out of a molehill

[arewethereyet]

'Morbid obesity' added to terms you can no longer use in polite society according to the American Medical Association. https://reclaimthenet.org/ama-language-g...-fairness/

How is this going to help morbidly obese individuals who are in the process of eating themselves to death?

Morbid obesity is an actual medical diagnosis you twit.