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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 2:55 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 11:44 am)Ahriman Wrote: Evidence doesn't matter. . . . I'm really not sure why atheists have such a fetish for evidence.
Evidence matters because it is the common language that allows people of different beliefs to avoid talking past each other. In the absence of evidence, there is no way even in theory to settle questions about the nature of reality. We all use evidence every day to guide our decisions. We use it in our conversations with others. The legal system, which is concerned with resolving questions of fact over what did or did not happen, must be described as having a massive "fetish" for evidence. Evidence is objectively verifiable information, and without it, progress in society would not be possible. I've found the only people that denigrate evidence are those who insist on believing things the evidence doesn't support. But of course these same people continue to use and rely on evidence whenever and wherever it supports other things they believe, so their position is never a principled one. If you want to discount evidence, go ahead. But at least be consistent and avoid using it in any other context ever again. For the rest of us who like living in a world where reasoned discussion is possible, we'll continue to treat evidence as though it matters.
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 3:05 pm
I am really not that young (30 years old) and I don't think I'm being stupid. Karma and reincarnation cannot be proven with empirical evidence, but I still believe strongly that they are real. I don't need to know everything.
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 3:22 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 3:05 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I am really not that young (30 years old) and I don't think I'm being stupid. Karma and reincarnation cannot be proven with empirical evidence, but I still believe strongly that they are real. I don't need to know everything.
People often don't realize when they are stupid. That's the problem. And you are too old to be behaving the way you are. My nephew is 18 and he's way more mature.
Why is it so?
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 3:39 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 3:22 pm)Spongebob Wrote: (October 19, 2021 at 3:05 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I am really not that young (30 years old) and I don't think I'm being stupid. Karma and reincarnation cannot be proven with empirical evidence, but I still believe strongly that they are real. I don't need to know everything.
People often don't realize when they are stupid. That's the problem. And you are too old to be behaving the way you are. My nephew is 18 and he's way more mature. LOL yeah I'm sure.
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 3:57 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 3:39 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (October 19, 2021 at 3:22 pm)Spongebob Wrote: People often don't realize when they are stupid. That's the problem. And you are too old to be behaving the way you are. My nephew is 18 and he's way more mature. LOL yeah I'm sure.
It is quite odd that you keep posting, but saying almost nothing. What is the draw for you here?
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 5:15 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 3:57 pm)Spongebob Wrote: (October 19, 2021 at 3:39 pm)Ahriman Wrote: LOL yeah I'm sure.
It is quite odd that you keep posting, but saying almost nothing. What is the draw for you here?
A mature 18 year old male? Will wonders ever cease? Can't say I've ever met one. I was considered mature at 18 because I qave the impression that I was compliant. I wasn't, I was just sneaky. Like most teens I had two distinct personalities. One for adults and one for peers. A great deal of my time was spent trying to work out how I could nail my mates' sisters and any other suitable female not nailed down..
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 5:19 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 11:44 am)Ahriman Wrote: Evidence doesn't matter. . . . I'm really not sure why atheists have such a fetish for evidence.
Because atheists are actually in a religion called evidencism.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 5:23 pm
At least this thread is sticking with the 'lunacy' thing in the title...thanks to our little Airhead.
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 6:44 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: (October 19, 2021 at 3:57 pm)Spongebob Wrote: It is quite odd that you keep posting, but saying almost nothing. What is the draw for you here?
A mature 18 year old male? Will wonders ever cease? Can't say I've ever met one. I was considered mature at 18 because I qave the impression that I was compliant. I wasn't, I was just sneaky. Like most teens I had two distinct personalities. One for adults and one for peers. A great deal of my time was spent trying to work out how I could nail my mates' sisters and any other suitable female not nailed down..
It's a relative thing. My nephew is more mature relative to Airhead. He has his faults but mostly he's a good kid with big asperations. Ahri is about as intellectually lazy a person I've seen in years. At 30 years of age, there's no excuse for that.
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RE: On the lunacy of free will
October 19, 2021 at 8:27 pm
(October 19, 2021 at 6:44 pm)Spongebob Wrote: (October 19, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: A mature 18 year old male? Will wonders ever cease? Can't say I've ever met one. I was considered mature at 18 because I qave the impression that I was compliant. I wasn't, I was just sneaky. Like most teens I had two distinct personalities. One for adults and one for peers. A great deal of my time was spent trying to work out how I could nail my mates' sisters and any other suitable female not nailed down..
It's a relative thing. My nephew is more mature relative to Airhead. He has his faults but mostly he's a good kid with big asperations. Ahri is about as intellectually lazy a person I've seen in years. At 30 years of age, there's no excuse for that.
Ok, but you're setting a pretty low bar.
At 18, I was an insufferable little prig. Army changed a lot of that. When living in barracks, blokes just won't take that shit.
My favourite revenge stories : Basic training. This one guy has a fuckup because he didn't care. Got us all punished. So, one Saturday night we got him shitfaced and put him to bed-----We then took him in his bed, with locker desk and small rug-------and put the lot in the middle of the parade ground. (yeah, we took pity and helped him get his gear back to the barracks. Another bloke was just a cunt. So we hoisted him in his bed into the exposed rafters of the hut. Next morning he bounds out of bed---and breaks his leg. Not really funny.. Thank goodness our larrikin drill sergeant had great sense of humour. 
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