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Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
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RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 20, 2021 at 12:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: They were so beautiful, peaceful species who flourished in our World's oceans for over one-quarter of a billion years:


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Did God just want to make us feel bad?  And, in feeling bad, maybe lead more of us to Jesus, Allah, etc.?

 Ignoramus here; those things look a lot like cockroaches. Could they have evolved into prawns/shrimp  or Crayfish/lobsters? Not sure about lobsters, but pretty sure prawns are insects.
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#12
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 21, 2021 at 1:01 am)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(October 20, 2021 at 12:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: They were so beautiful, peaceful species who flourished in our World's oceans for over one-quarter of a billion years:


[Image: image_1766-Trilobite.jpg]

Did God just want to make us feel bad?  And, in feeling bad, maybe lead more of us to Jesus, Allah, etc.?

 Ignoramus here; those things look a lot like cockroaches. Could they have evolved into prawns/shrimp  or Crayfish/lobsters? Not sure about lobsters, but pretty sure prawns are insects.


No,  prawns are not insects.      Trilobites did not evolve into shrimps or crayfishes. 

Prawns, insects, and trilobites exemplify 3 of the 5 great branches of the Arthropods family.    The 4th and 5th branches are examplified by millipedes and spiders respectively.  

Although arthropods from different branches often share many characteristics, and may seem similar across branches while the distinction between branches may seem subtle and technical, these distinctions that distinguish one branch from another in fact reflect fundamental differences during earliest developments of embryo between members on different branches.    these embryonic difference  in turn reflect very long history of separate evolution.    It is estimated the 5 branches of arthropod family last shared a common ancester at least 540 million years ago.
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#13
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 20, 2021 at 2:46 pm)slartibartfast Wrote:
(October 20, 2021 at 12:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: They were so beautiful, peaceful species who flourished in our World's oceans for over one-quarter of a billion years:


[Image: image_1766-Trilobite.jpg]

Did God just want to make us feel bad?  And, in feeling bad, maybe lead more of us to Jesus, Allah, etc.?

He didn't. It's all a ruse. Since the earth is only 6000 years old all fossils were put into the earth at that time to tempt poor bastards like us 6000 years later to the dark side by making evolution look like a viable theory to test our faith, when none of it actually happened. Stop looking for reasons to doubt God's word - all you need is the magic book. It explains everything.

I have had numerous conversations on other forums where Christians were making exactly this and other related arguments. Same goes for distances between stars etc. Their refutation for light having observably travelled billions of years to reach us being proof of a Universe far older than 6000 years was that God created all of the light beams in mid-flight - at the same time as all of the "Stuff" in the Universe in the exact state that it exists today - so they would appear to reach us at the exact moment he intended (ie. now that he has deemed us to invent telescopes). It never occurred to the person that if God had that power / intention they he wouldn't have to create any stars at all - just continuously creating mid-flight light beams and other radiation would do.

It astounds me that seemingly rational and functioning people can actually believe that if there is a God, he would go to such lengths to create a completely "fake" Universe with the level of intricacy required to continually defeat new levels of the science onion an still remain consistent just for our benefit.

OK, how do they explain the fact that the farther away the star system is, the younger it is. It is possible to see star's beginning to form. It is possible to see vast hydrogen clouds collapsing onto a central region. It is even possible to view molecule hydrogen (H2) forming streams. These appear as dark lines since they absorb the radiation coming from behind them.
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RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 21, 2021 at 3:05 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(October 21, 2021 at 1:01 am)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:  Ignoramus here; those things look a lot like cockroaches. Could they have evolved into prawns/shrimp  or Crayfish/lobsters? Not sure about lobsters, but pretty sure prawns are insects.


No,  prawns are not insects.      Trilobites did not evolve into shrimps or crayfishes. 

Prawns, insects, and trilobites exemplify 3 of the 5 great branches of the Arthropods family.    The 4th and 5th branches are examplified by millipedes and spiders respectively.  

Although arthropods from different branches often share many characteristics, and may seem similar across branches while the distinction between branches may seem subtle and technical, these distinctions that distinguish one branch from another in fact reflect fundamental differences during earliest developments of embryo between members on different branches.    these embryonic difference  in turn reflect very long history of separate evolution.    It is estimated the 5 branches of arthropod family last shared a common ancester at least 540 million years ago.

 Mkay. Thought you might be interested in this:

Not sure where I read about Prawns being insects, but I did read it. Can't remember where or when, so my claim by itself may be taken as hearsay.

Today I went looking, Googling "'are prawns insects?"

Found this after a quick search:

"Both insects and crustaceans have three part bodies, made up of a head, thorax, and abdomen. Both have jointed legs. And both have exoskeletons. ... That means that shrimp, lobsters, and other crustaceans are related – very closely related – not only to cockroaches, but to all other insects, too"

In evolutionary terms, isn't that  a distinction without a difference?

https://cockroachfacts.com/are-shrimp-co...s-related/
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RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
“Very closely related” is to distort the truth to an rather extreme.   Insects (Hexapoda) and the order that includes prawns (Crustacea) are more closely related to each other than to trilobites or spiders, that is true, but they are not much more closely related.  

Hexapoda diverged from Crustacea at least 425 million years ago.    While the ancestors of both diverged from trilobites about 540 million years ago.     So insects and prawns might be said to be about 80% as distant from each other as either are from trilobites, spiders or millipedes.

Both hexapoda and Crustacea have exoskeletons, but so do members of other branches of arthropods.   So that shared trait does not denote closeness or relations between them.   look closer and the exoskeletons of Crustacea and hexapoda only resemble each other superficially. They are formed by different biochemical processes.     Contrary to what is said on your quote,  Hexapoda have three part  bodies, but crustacea have only two.   Crustacea doe not have separate heads and thorax as Hexapoda do.   More significantly, from embryon development perspective, the combined head and thorax in Crustacea are not analogous to the head and thorax in hexapoda in terms of where in the segmented fetal structure they developed from.    The segmented legs of Hexapoda may seem to resemble  those of crustacea, but they are structurally different.  Hexapoda legs are uniramous, that is each leg grows out of the body as a single series of segments attached end to end.    Crustacea legs on the other hand, are mostly biramous, that is most leg branch into two separate parallel series of segments where it attached to the body.   From embryonic development, it is also clear crustacea legs grow out of different parts in the segmented fetal tissue from Hexapoda legs.

So it is a distinction with quite a deep seated difference in genetics, biochemistry, embryonic development, and morphology.
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#16
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
Thou shalt not eat shrimp!
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#17
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 22, 2021 at 5:05 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Thou shalt not eat shrimp!

not eating shrimp is fine, but prawns are quite another thing!
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

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RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 22, 2021 at 5:05 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Thou shalt not eat shrimp!

This is yet another reason I could never be Jewish. The other is that a life without roast beef and cheese sandwiches would not be worth living.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#19
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
Any religion that bans bacon must be wrong Smile
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

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#20
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
She just shrunk them!

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Illegitimi non carborundum
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