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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:04 pm
(November 2, 2021 at 3:22 pm)Astreja Wrote: (November 2, 2021 at 12:26 pm)Ahriman Wrote: The definition of "atheism" should be broadened to include a lack of belief in supernatural things period, not just gods. I mean, why stop at gods.
Atheism is a useful term for a specific type of non-belief. It's rare that anyone inquires about my lack of belief in faeries, ghosts, or the efficacy of palm reading and Tarot cards. In contrast, there seems to be someone asking "Why don't you believe in God?" All. The. Damn. Time. Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:08 pm
Quote:Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
It's not a cover story it's a fact
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:11 pm
(November 2, 2021 at 4:04 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (November 2, 2021 at 3:22 pm)Astreja Wrote: Atheism is a useful term for a specific type of non-belief. It's rare that anyone inquires about my lack of belief in faeries, ghosts, or the efficacy of palm reading and Tarot cards. In contrast, there seems to be someone asking "Why don't you believe in God?" All. The. Damn. Time.
Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
Do you believe in: Bigfoot, alien abductions, the Loch Ness monster, Tarot card reading, psychic surgery, seances, Yeti, palm reading, etc?
Why not? And please don't use that tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knowns that's a cover story.
I'll bet you disbelieve in some or all of these, for the same exact reasons we don't believe in a god. Lack of demonstrable and falsifiable evidence.
Without demonstrable and falsifiable evidence for a god, Bigfoot, alien abductions, psychic surgery, etc, etc, why else should we believe?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:14 pm
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(November 2, 2021 at 4:04 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (November 2, 2021 at 3:22 pm)Astreja Wrote: Atheism is a useful term for a specific type of non-belief. It's rare that anyone inquires about my lack of belief in faeries, ghosts, or the efficacy of palm reading and Tarot cards. In contrast, there seems to be someone asking "Why don't you believe in God?" All. The. Damn. Time. Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
Well...why don't you believe in unicorns? Just because there's no evidence and you instinctively reel against the idea of horned horses as idiotic superstition?
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:15 pm
(November 2, 2021 at 4:04 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (November 2, 2021 at 3:22 pm)Astreja Wrote: Atheism is a useful term for a specific type of non-belief. It's rare that anyone inquires about my lack of belief in faeries, ghosts, or the efficacy of palm reading and Tarot cards. In contrast, there seems to be someone asking "Why don't you believe in God?" All. The. Damn. Time. Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:19 pm
(November 2, 2021 at 4:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (November 2, 2021 at 4:04 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
Well...why don't you believe in unicorns? Just because there's no evidence and you instinctively reel against the idea of horned horses as idiotic superstition?
Physician, heal thyself? There might be unicorns somewhere. I don't know.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:19 pm
(November 2, 2021 at 4:04 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
It's a bit strange, don't you think, that you consider that: correctly applied skepticism, applying good standards of evidence, a sound epistemology, and lack of credulity, are a "cover story"?
The same methods that stopped humans from: sacrificing virgins when there is a famine, 'doctors' from bleeding people when they were sick, burning 'witches' at the stake for performing 'magic', performing exorcisms on mentally ill people instead of treating them, etc. etc,.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:20 pm
(November 2, 2021 at 4:08 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Well, why don't you believe in God? Without using the tired excuse of "there's no evidence" because everyone knows that's a cover story.
It's not a cover story it's a fact
That's not a fact. That's your opinion. As someone once said, theists do not require evidence and atheists won't accept any. Learning the difference between fact and opinion is one of the first steps in critical thinking, yes?
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:24 pm
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Quote:That's not a fact.
Yes, it is
Quote: That's your opinion.
No, it's not
Quote:As someone once said, theists do not require evidence and atheists won't accept any.
Well that person was full of shit
Quote:Learning the difference between fact and opinion is one of the first steps in critical thinking, yes?
I know the difference and what i said was a fact, not an opinion. I know don't like that fact but that's irrelevant really
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
November 2, 2021 at 4:24 pm
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(November 2, 2021 at 4:19 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (November 2, 2021 at 4:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well...why don't you believe in unicorns? Just because there's no evidence and you instinctively reel against the idea of horned horses as idiotic superstition?
Physician, heal thyself?
There might be unicorns somewhere. I don't know.
Your are correct, although the chances are almost zero. the universe is a huge place, and since absolute certainty is impossible. But the time to start to believe unicorns exist, is when there is good evidence for their existence. And not a second sooner.
There might be something that qualifies as a god somewhere, too. As soon as there is good evidence to support its existence, is the time to start believing a god exists.
You do understand (actually, you probable don't understand), that for most atheists, our disbelief in a god is a provisional position, not a dogmatic one. right?
Until there is good evidence for the existence of a god, what should be our justification to believe one exists?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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