The Sects of Atheism

[GaryAnderson]

My questions are not related to bigfoot or unicorns for the 100th time!

Yes, number 4 can be removed because Nudger and I finally understand each other now. And sects do exists here because the commonality that you all share is the word “Atheism”.

But for me, the question, does a god exist, IS related to unicorns and bigfoot, because they are all fall under the scope of episiotomy.

My reasons for disbelieving in gods, the afterlife, souls, is not different than my reasons for disbelieving in unicorns, bigfoot, and an almost endless of toehr unsupported supernatural claims.

It's not our fault that you are trying to saddle us with being part of a religion with sects, or whatever other religious trappings you want, and then wonder why we complain about your lack of understanding and your fallacious reasoning.

Here it is again. I do not believe that gods, the afterlife, a soul exist, because they are unsupported by good standards of evidence, and valid and sound logic.

These are the same reasons why I disbelieve in unicorns and bigfoot.

I am speaking about the topics and our positions, you are trying to force your understanding of dictionary definitions on us, then calling us members of different sects, if we don't exactly fit your understanding of the dictionary.

You do know, that the people that made up the word atheist, the ancient Romans, made it up to define Christians because they didn't believe in the right gods, right?

Thank you for answering my questions by the way.
I just want to point out again the definition of atheism which is “lack of belief in gods”. Are unicorns worshipped by anyone? Officially? If yes include them so you can be happy with this pre-programmed answer from you atheists and your fallacious reasoning.
Also I am aware of the origins of the word atheist but if we go down that route and trace things to Koine Greek a lot of our normal discussions would fall apart.

[LadyForCamus]

That would just be dishonest, is the problem, because I'm not an agnostic atheist.   I know.... that your god.... for example, is hilarious bullshit.

Yes but if you wanna call yourself ‘more religious’ and claim to be a true atheist in the strict dictionary sense …. Then you’re not being true to what you really are.

Which is an utter bullshit assertion unless you can demonstrate that gods and souls exist in the first place, and that one cannot exist with out the other. Try again?

Low-effort troll is obvious, lol

And here we go. The troll card has been thrown when you’re not willing to respond in a logical manner.

This topic in not going to demonstrate the existence of gods or souls, it’s about clarifying what you’re allowed to say or not based on your position.

And for the third time now, unless you can provide, at the very least, a logically valid and sound argument for why the existence of one is necessary for the existence of the other, then you’re just making shit up. 🙃

Can you?

[GaryAnderson]

Yes but if you wanna call yourself ‘more religious’ and claim to be a true atheist in the strict dictionary sense …. Then you’re not being true to what you really are.

And here we go. The troll card has been thrown when you’re not willing to respond in a logical manner.

This topic in not going to demonstrate the existence of gods or souls, it’s about clarifying what you’re allowed to say or not based on your position.

And for the third time now, unless you can provide, at the very least, a logically valid and sound argument for why the existence of one is dependent on the other, then you’re just making shit up. 🙃

Can you?

I’ve said this a few times. The answers to souls and the afterlife are linked to religions or gods. Whether they’re real or not is not the point, the point is that we Theists are allowed to have an answer and this doesn’t contradict our definition where the Key word is “belief’ and your definition is “lack of belief”.

[LadyForCamus]

And for the third time now, unless you can provide, at the very least, a logically valid and sound argument for why the existence of one is dependent on the other, then you’re just making shit up. 🙃

Can you?

I’ve said this a few times. The answers to souls and the afterlife are linked to religions or gods. Whether they’re real or not is not the point, the point is that we Theists are allowed to have an answer and this doesn’t contradict our definition where the Key word is “belief’ and your definition is “lack of belief”.

You said you were here to school us on logic. Do you even know what a formal logical argument is? Present us your syllogism. What are you premises? The conclusion? Go ahead. I’ll wait. 

[Simon Moon]

But for me, the question, does a god exist, IS related to unicorns and bigfoot, because they are all fall under the scope of episiotomy.

My reasons for disbelieving in gods, the afterlife, souls, is not different than my reasons for disbelieving in unicorns, bigfoot, and an almost endless of toehr unsupported supernatural claims.

It's not our fault that you are trying to saddle us with being part of a religion with sects, or whatever other religious trappings you want, and then wonder why we complain about your lack of understanding and your fallacious reasoning.

Here it is again. I do not believe that gods, the afterlife, a soul exist, because they are unsupported by good standards of evidence, and valid and sound logic.

These are the same reasons why I disbelieve in unicorns and bigfoot.

I am speaking about the topics and our positions, you are trying to force your understanding of dictionary definitions on us, then calling us members of different sects, if we don't exactly fit your understanding of the dictionary.

You do know, that the people that made up the word atheist, the ancient Romans, made it up to define Christians because they didn't believe in the right gods, right?

Thank you for answering my questions by the way.
I just want to point out again the definition of atheism which is “lack of belief in gods”. Are unicorns worshipped by anyone? Officially? If yes include them so you can be happy with this pre-programmed answer from you atheists and your fallacious reasoning.
Also I am aware of the origins of the word atheist but if we go down that route and trace things to Koine Greek a lot of our normal discussions would fall apart.

But my reasons for believing or disbelieving claims, has nothing to do with whether it is worshipped or not.

Because, even if someone were able to demonstrate that a god does exist, I would no longer be an atheist, but that does not mean I will worship said god.

I put gods into the category of unsupported supernatural claims, not in the category of things that are worshipped.

[GaryAnderson]

I’ve said this a few times. The answers to souls and the afterlife are linked to religions or gods. Whether they’re real or not is not the point, the point is that we Theists are allowed to have an answer and this doesn’t contradict our definition where the Key word is “belief’ and your definition is “lack of belief”.

Do you understand what a logical argument is? Give us your syllogism. What are you premises? The conclusion? Go ahead. I’ll wait. 

So you’re saying you don’t like that description to your question in English? Should I try in Italian? Greek? 😄

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Thank you for answering my questions by the way.
I just want to point out again the definition of atheism which is “lack of belief in gods”. Are unicorns worshipped by anyone? Officially? If yes include them so you can be happy with this pre-programmed answer from you atheists and your fallacious reasoning.
Also I am aware of the origins of the word atheist but if we go down that route and trace things to Koine Greek a lot of our normal discussions would fall apart.

But my reasons for believing or disbelieving claims, has nothing to do with whether it is worshipped or not.

Because, even if someone were able to demonstrate that a god does exist, I would no longer be an atheist, but that does not mean I will worship said god.

I put gods into the category of unsupported supernatural claims, not in the category of things that are worshipped.

Look this is very simple. If you claim to be an atheist, stay true to the definition of the word Not your reasons.

[LadyForCamus]

@GaryAnderson you said you were here to school us on logic.

So, present your premises and your conclusion. I mean, that was your stated goal, lol. Are you going to follow through with it or…?

[GaryAnderson]

@GaryAnderson you said you were here to school us on logic.

So, present your premises and your conclusion. I mean, that was your stated goal, lol. Are you going to follow through with it or…?

Yes I’m going to pick on you guys on what I think are obvious things which some of you deny but as far as schooling …. I’m not that presumptuous despite being on a horse.

[Brian37]

Why? That's stupid, and makes me think atheists just want to be part of some secret club.

It wasn't us atheists that came up with the term, it was ancient Romans.

In fact, Rome used the term 'atheist' to describe Christians, because they did not believe in the correct gods.

But you are correct, for a change, the term 'atheist' does not really need to exist. After all, there is no special term for the disbelief in Bigfoot.

I thought it was the ancient Greeks who came up with the word "atheos" meaning "without".

[Ranjr]

Hung up on dictionary definitions.  Misuses "sect."