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The Sects of Atheism
RE: The Sects of Atheism
(November 3, 2021 at 12:16 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: I forgot to leave this here.
I ❤️ You guys. Smile

What happens at an atheist church?
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21319945

People sometimes get together but that does not mean that they are in some religion. People gather in stadiums to cheer for same team but it's not a religion, or gather in the chess club to play chess.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
(November 3, 2021 at 12:25 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(November 3, 2021 at 12:16 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: I forgot to leave this here.
I ❤️ You guys. Smile

What happens at an atheist church?
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21319945

People sometimes get together but that does not mean that they are in some religion. People gather in stadiums to cheer for same team but it's not a religion, or gather in the chess club to play chess.

Do people pray in circle jerks??? Hehe
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
Just because a looney group calls itself an Atheist Church in no way makes Atheism a religion that's simply an irrational conclusion.

Quote:No. I am suggesting that Helios presented an opinion on a complex topic as if it were a settled fact.
Nah what I presented was a fact to a total noncomplex topic that simply makes you mad  Hehe



Quote: At the same time, I am also noting that as a general rule the evidence offered by a theist will not meet the evidentiary standard for an atheist. 
Nah what your doing is offering excuses because my statement is true and it makes you mad  Hehe


Quote:Again, this is a difference of opinion, not a character flaw or lack of intelligence on anyone's part.
No it's not it's a matter of facts vs your hurt feelings
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
(November 3, 2021 at 10:39 am)GaryAnderson Wrote: I don’t have any evidence for this and as I mentioned if anybody did, than humanity would not have this eternal debate. This isn’t about evidence it’s about definitions of words and staying true to those definitions. You wanna answer my questions?

Why don't you define what you mean by 'soul' after all you are the one asking the question, maybe then people will be willing to answer your questions? There are a few definitions of soul, which one do you want to discuss ? What you seem to be doing is asking the equivalent of something like ''what do you feel about the colour of paint''.

Take some responsibility for your beliefs and use definitions we can ask you about.

Here's just 25 definitions to help you along

https://www.yourdictionary.com/soul
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
You know, i realize that you don’t want to be called a religion especially by a random guy on the internet but when BBC calls you a church … that’s a whole different level. 😂

(November 3, 2021 at 1:39 pm)possibletarian Wrote:
(November 3, 2021 at 10:39 am)GaryAnderson Wrote: I don’t have any evidence for this and as I mentioned if anybody did, than humanity would not have this eternal debate. This isn’t about evidence it’s about definitions of words and staying true to those definitions. You wanna answer my questions?

Why don't you define what you mean by 'soul' after all you are the one asking the question, maybe then people will be willing to answer your questions? There are a few definitions of soul, which one do you want to discuss ? What you seem to be doing is asking the equivalent of something like ''what do you feel about the colour of paint''.

Take some responsibility for your beliefs and use definitions we can ask you about.

Here's just 25 definitions to help you along

https://www.yourdictionary.com/soul

If you’re confused about “soul” a question asked by a theist on an atheist site, then tell me about the afterlife. Surely you’re not confused about that one?
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
(November 3, 2021 at 2:00 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: You know, i realize that you don’t want to be called a religion especially by a random guy on the internet but when BBC calls you a church … that’s a whole different level. 😂

A different level of misunderstanding? Yes, it is.

I am still waiting for someone to explain, coherently, and I'll add the BBC to my list, how not being convinced that gods exist can be a religion?

There is no dogma, doctrine, holy texts, edicts that are connected to atheism.

Anything else you seem to want to glom onto not being convinced gods exist, have nothing to do with atheism.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
(November 3, 2021 at 2:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(November 3, 2021 at 2:00 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: You know, i realize that you don’t want to be called a religion especially by a random guy on the internet but when BBC calls you a church … that’s a whole different level. 😂

A different level of misunderstanding? Yes, it is.

I am still waiting for someone to explain, coherently, and I'll add the BBC to my list, how not being convinced that gods exist can be a religion?

There is no dogma, doctrine, holy texts, edicts that are connected to atheism.

Anything else you seem to want to glom onto not being convinced gods exist, have nothing to do with atheism.

Sure. Basically the word that binds you all together is the word “atheism”. In this group there are many interpretations of what that means and you also classify yourselves into different categories like Agnostic Atheists, Atheists or Materialistic Atheists.
These traits are similar to a religion with different denominations.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
Repeating the same error doesn't make it less of an error  Dodgy
"Change was inevitable"


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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
It has been amusing watching the car wreck that is Gary in slow motion.

If Gary has achieved anything, it is to increase my cynicism about religion. Religion has so messed up his brain that he is incapable of escaping the programming.

Of note is the fact that he has never identified which sect he belongs to, or what it believes, or he believes, or anything much really.

260+ posts in and he has told nobody nothing beyond the fact that he believes in some magic sky fairy and that's it. Nothing more.

I suspect that he knows that were he to reveal that, he would get the snot beaten out of him. For all any of us know, he might be a member of the Westboro church. Even if not, he would defend them as god fearing and righteous.
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RE: The Sects of Atheism
(November 3, 2021 at 2:15 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:
(November 3, 2021 at 2:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: A different level of misunderstanding? Yes, it is.

I am still waiting for someone to explain, coherently, and I'll add the BBC to my list, how not being convinced that gods exist can be a religion?

There is no dogma, doctrine, holy texts, edicts that are connected to atheism.

Anything else you seem to want to glom onto not being convinced gods exist, have nothing to do with atheism.

Sure. Basically the word that binds you all together is the word “atheism”. In this group there are many interpretations of what that means and you also classify yourselves into different categories like Agnostic Atheists, Atheists or Materialistic Atheists.
These traits are similar to a religion with different denominations.

Strange, seems to me that people have been pretty consistent in telling you that atheism means just the one thing, about just one thing....but you walk away with some other impression?

I doubt it.  I'm pretty sure you walked in with a particular set of impressions and are having trouble flogging them.

Sure, agnostic atheists and so-called hard atheists are different. They answer a question about the status of their belief in god the same way, but answer any number of other questions differently, just like blonde people might. Why does this give you so much trouble? It's the fabric of your everyday life, you know that people who agree on one item, or are like each other in one respect, often don't or aren't on another..you know it from your own experience.

The reason that none of them are religions, or religious denominations, is that none of them are religious claims. If you knew that someone was an agnostic atheist or a gnostic atheist..you still wouldn't know what they thought about the sacred, the set apart and the forbidden, or if they belonged to any community which shared those apprehensions about those other things.
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