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Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
#91
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
(December 10, 2021 at 9:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Nope.  Vae Victis.
I had to look up what that means but, I wholeheartedly agree.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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#92
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
(December 10, 2021 at 8:55 am)WinterHold Wrote: Any sin can be payed for; but the sinner must:

1-Confess their sin to God and pray to never ever return to the sin
2-Try their best not to ever come back to that sin
3-Pay whatever penalty is there for the damage they did both to themselves and to others

There may be a step even before these three, which is in some cases most difficult of all.

And that is to understand that you've committed a sin at all. 

Way too many Americans still believe that the US is sinless, that the evils it has done have been somehow justified. Given the extreme effectiveness of US media propaganda, I don't think it's likely we'll ever get officially up to step one, and be able to confess.
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#93
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
(December 10, 2021 at 9:24 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(December 10, 2021 at 8:55 am)WinterHold Wrote: Any sin can be payed for; but the sinner must:

1-Confess their sin to God and pray to never ever return to the sin
2-Try their best not to ever come back to that sin
3-Pay whatever penalty is there for the damage they did both to themselves and to others

There may be a step even before these three, which is in some cases most difficult of all.

And that is to understand that you've committed a sin at all. 

Way too many Americans still believe that the US is sinless, that the evils it has done have been somehow justified. Given the extreme effectiveness of US media propaganda, I don't think it's likely we'll ever get officially up to step one, and be able to confess.
Many Americans have not been directly, or even indirectly, involved in any sinful activity of the nationalistic kind. Should all those people be held morally culpable for sins they did not commit?
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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#94
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
The us government isn't the entity convincing reich wing voters that the us is gods kingdom, blameless but for the transgressions of the godless left. Not anymore, at any rate..though... I suppose that does go back to the target demo and their cold war experience. Nowadays, the us government steps in to acknowledge things too often for the reich wing, too often being ever, at all.

Finally ahri has a point - i knew it would happen by accident eventually. It's probably ludicrous to hold individuals accountable for or suggest they are guilty of some sin that they didn;t do..but, rather, that a government that has never been representative did, in many cases, before they arrived. People worry that any scheme to compensate the survivors of that brutality will amount to punishing them..somehow...it always ends up being some nonsense about the capture of state or wealth. That's not really how any of it would (or does) work..but like bel said, media and propaganda in the us is super effective.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#95
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
I'm actually glad the propaganda in our country works so well, it keeps all these fucking idiots from messing with me. I do have a Facebook, but literally don't do anything with it besides post a funny picture once or twice a year, so I don't engage in all the inane conversations (arguments) that most of the other people do. In this way, I keep a low profile, and safely disregard all of the brainwashed chumps. The propaganda keeps them placated, and going in circles, while I do not engage, and stay safe from the effects of the propaganda.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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#96
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
The contents of your posts strongly argue to the contrary..but, at least you're aware it's a thing and think about it. I guess.

Personally, I'm rather attached to my indoctrination. Though, for me, it's what we could and should be, not what we were or are.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#97
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
(December 4, 2021 at 7:42 pm)T.J. Wrote: When I mention sins I'm talking about the fact that hundreds of years ago the people who came to this country slaughtered the people who were here first and took their land. Later they enslaved the blacks, treated women like property and wouldn't even allow them to vote until as soon as 1920. Sending the Japanese people into camps after the attack at Pearl Harbor. And I'm sure the list just gets bigger and bigger.

Is there anyway for America to truly confront its past and change for the better or is it just too great a wound to heal?

Discuss.

There are WAY worse and FAR more recent crimes than some of the ones you've listed here man. Google "Obama 90%" right now.
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#98
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
(December 10, 2021 at 9:24 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(December 10, 2021 at 8:55 am)WinterHold Wrote: Any sin can be payed for; but the sinner must:

1-Confess their sin to God and pray to never ever return to the sin
2-Try their best not to ever come back to that sin
3-Pay whatever penalty is there for the damage they did both to themselves and to others

There may be a step even before these three, which is in some cases most difficult of all.

And that is to understand that you've committed a sin at all. 

Way too many Americans still believe that the US is sinless, that the evils it has done have been somehow justified. Given the extreme effectiveness of US media propaganda, I don't think it's likely we'll ever get officially up to step one, and be able to confess.

Especially in the last periods of their lifetime; after they grow old, all empires in this world were led by self-righteous elites with masses of brainwashed population; blinded by the glare of the gold their empire robbed from the pockets of the poor.

Sinners will rarely ignore the mirage's glare of their empire to see the damage resulting from its sins.
I guess that's God's trap to sinners: repentance is easy on paper; but so hard to actually commit.
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#99
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
All well and good, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the us -at present-. Remember, the current political dispute in the us is between the dying minority cohort that sees no evil and the younger and living and majority cohort that both sees evil, and knows how we might do better. Dont get me wrong, better..in that context, can still be pretty shitty for someone.

Does it ever occur to you, winter, that the people you address here, for example.... have all the same reservations about their grandfathers as you might? Here's another fun question to ponder. Do you think I hauled a rifle all over nothereistan for america..or for the people of nothereistan? It wasnt exactly like the islamist in front of me had a weapon that could reach all the way back to bell florida.......they werent killing americans.....

I guess it;s a complicated thing. As a country, we've been on both sides of a given conflict (moral or military..if there's a difference). Our own conflict, today, seems to amount to whether or not we want to be guided by the better angels of our nature, or our most base and absurd insecurities. Weird thing for a country like us to feel insecure, don't you think? We're so goddamned mighty we toppled your kingdom of god in less than a generation....and, as you yourself have often contended, completely subjugated even the worst of its agents. Guys got his work cut out for him dealing with us whether he has to deal with the bigots, or the rest of us. We're iron chariot types...and I suppose he's always struggled with us. Hey..wait a minute...thats how the jews came to be!

Isn't it amusing that for the outsized presence of american bigotry in your own mind, those of us who are not a part of that are even more difficult adversaries to overcome? That we're unappealable, unpersuadable, inhuman...by standards that amount to capitulation to murderous islamism....even? That used to be our jam. The silly pretenses you yourself belive in used to motivate us, and the worst of us, even more than they do now...but it turns out that people like that, and like you, are the least of us? The most uncommited. The quickest to turn. The eager coconspirators to what would ultimately end us but will not..because every single one of you is so unbelievably goddamned stupid and incompetent.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
(December 10, 2021 at 2:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: All well and good, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the us -at present-.  Remember, the current political dispute in the us is between the dying minority cohort that sees no evil and the younger and living and majority cohort that both sees evil, and knows how we might do better.  Dont get me wrong, better..in that context, can still be pretty shitty for someone.

Does it ever occur to you, winter, that the people you address here, for example.... have all the same reservations about their grandfathers as you might?  Here's another fun question to ponder.  Do you think I hauled a rifle all over nothereistan for america..or for the people of nothereistan?  It  wasnt exactly like the islamist in front of me had a weapon that could reach all the way back to bell florida.......they werent killing americans.....

I guess it;s a complicated thing.  As a country, we've been on both sides of a given conflict (moral or military..if there's a difference).  Our own conflict, today, seems to amount to whether or not we want to be guided by the better angels of our nature, or our most base and absurd insecurities.  Weird thing for a country like us to feel insecure, don't you think?  We're so goddamned mighty we toppled your kingdom of god in less than a generation.  Guys got his work cut out for him dealing with us whether he has to deal with the bigots, or the rest of us.  We're iron chariot types...and I suppose he's always struggled with us.

I will name the ruling parties of America with another fashion:

1) The Military Industrial Complex (Biden,Obama,Hillary...etc)
2) The Oligarchs (Remnants of Trump era, extreme Zionists...etc)

I will assume that you meant the MIC to be the "old", the Oligarchs to be the "young".

The problem is: both groups are sinning more than the rest ! at first, I thought that Biden's MIC changed its ways, but it didn't, it's still supporting MBS, still supporting Israel.

The Oligarchs on the other hand are building their power in the dark for 2024 elections, and I think they will rain havoc this time and put an end to the MIC, or start a civil war in the U.S, the flames of that war will soon turn global, I don't even doubt it turns to a global war with Russia and China moving to the mixture.

You, along with millions of Americans helped both the MIC and the Oligarchs to wage war after war by enlisting in their armies.
Don't worry, I'm fair enough to blame the Muslims who followed ISIS and Al-Qaeda to keep the wheel of American war economy going. Arab countries governments' too. It's a planet of sinners.


Would Biden, Trump, Hilary, Bin Laden, dare to repent for all these lives they destroyed?
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