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Indoctrination
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RE: Indoctrination
January 21, 2022 at 1:24 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2022 at 1:44 pm by Mister Agenda.)
Indoctrination
noun the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically. You can't be indoctrinated without someone trying to indoctrinate you. No one tried to indoctrinate me into atheism. more the opposite, people tried to indoctrinate me into theistic religion, it just didn't take permanently, for a variety of reasons.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
I really have to wonder why some people mentally shirk religion in favor of atheism.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
(January 21, 2022 at 1:24 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Indoctrination You were lucky. It most definitely stuck with me. I had to pry it loose over the course of years. I don't think I even met another atheist until I was in my mid 20's. I remember reading a book by one of my favorite authors, who has been openly atheist for decades. I sent him a letter explaining why I thought he was really a believer in god and just channeling his anger through his books. This is common thinking for theists for some reason, as demonstrated by Airhead Ahriman. At the time I didn't want to accept that an author, who's books I loved, was an atheist, so I conjured up this explanation that made some kind of sense to me.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller (January 21, 2022 at 1:29 pm)Spongebob Wrote:Well maybe you were right about that?(January 21, 2022 at 1:24 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Indoctrination
"Imagination, life is your creation"
(January 21, 2022 at 1:34 pm)Ahriman Wrote:(January 21, 2022 at 1:29 pm)Spongebob Wrote: You were lucky. It most definitely stuck with me. I had to pry it loose over the course of years. I don't think I even met another atheist until I was in my mid 20's. I remember reading a book by one of my favorite authors, who has been openly atheist for decades. I sent him a letter explaining why I thought he was really a believer in god and just channeling his anger through his books. This is common thinking for theists for some reason, as demonstrated by Airhead Ahriman. At the time I didn't want to accept that an author, who's books I loved, was an atheist, so I conjured up this explanation that made some kind of sense to me.Well maybe you were right about that? No, I'm explaining now how wrong I was. That was all in my head, made up to make me feel better. I've since read dozens more of his books and actually met the man. There's absolutely no pretense about him, so 100% of my belief was from my own imagination. That's my entire point. Ahriman, you appear to be a "feeling" based believer. This means you base all of your beliefs and ideas on how something makes you feel, how comfortable you are with it. Your thread discussing how often you change your mind about things only supports this conclusion because you basically admit to not being interested in objective information. You are free to live this way, of course, but you are living in a sad, imaginary world. You cannot explain things outside your own head with this approach. The entire world doesn't exist within your mind and you cannot understand, much less contribute to, things that aren't something of your own desires. You can criticize people all you want, but honestly it all comes across as ignorant and childish. Basically most people here are just swatting at you like they would a gnat. Currently you have absolutely zero credibility and nothing you say is taken seriously. That's how people view trolls. If you are ok with that, then continue what you are doing.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller RE: Indoctrination
January 21, 2022 at 1:48 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2022 at 1:49 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(January 21, 2022 at 1:29 pm)Spongebob Wrote:(January 21, 2022 at 1:24 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Indoctrination Oh, it took about 15 years between the time I first read the Bible through cover-to-cover and stopped being a Pentecostal to realizing I had become an atheist. I was in my early forties when I knowingly met my third atheist. In my youth I thought Ayn Rand was right about a lot of things but close-minded for not believing in God, now it's more like I think God was one of the few things she got right.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Quote:If you are ok with that, then continue what you are doing.Well it's not like I have much of a choice. I'm not much of an intellectual powerhouse. You're right about me not caring about objective information. My mind is very fluid/adaptable. I don't take society's defintion of things as the final word, in any case.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
RE: Indoctrination
January 21, 2022 at 1:57 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2022 at 2:01 pm by Simon Moon.)
(January 21, 2022 at 11:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: Fun fact, everyone is indoctrinated, if not by one source of indoctrination then another, atheists reject religious indoctrination but embrace scientific indoctrination, often to the point of accepting scientism, and/or becoming left wing nut jobs. You are laughably ignorant, yet you seem to believe you are not. The thing you can't seem to get through to that walnut you call a brain, is that science can demonstrate it's accuracy and reliability to describe reality. Religions, not so much... (January 21, 2022 at 1:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I really have to wonder why some people mentally shirk religion in favor of atheism. Because the existence of any god has not been demonstrated. As soon as someone is able to meet their burden of proof to demonstrate that at least one god exists, I will no longer be an atheist. For most atheists, their atheism is not a dogmatic position, it is a provisional position. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. Quote:As soon as someone is able to meet their burden of proof to demonstrate that at least one god exists, I will no longer be an atheist.Yeah this is just disingenuous. No amount of proof would be good enough for you. You fancy being an atheist too much.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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