[Quranic reflection]: The Big Bang theory in the Quran.

[Astreja]

Before our world was made, there was niflheim of the cold and dark and fog and ice.....and muspelheim of the fire and light, and between them the great void of ginunngigap.  When niflheim and muspelheim stretched out into the void and came into contact, all that we now know was set into an inevitable cascade of creation and eventual annihilation.

Norse cosmology FTW!

[polymath257]

The next line says the mountains were placed on top of the Earth so the Earth wouldn't move? lol

My bet is always on the mountains contributing to the gravity of earth, if science didn't calculate it now it will tomorrow.

I mean the verse before explicitly described the Big Bang.

Only to those who don't understand the first thing about the Big Bang.

[Aegon]

The next line says the mountains were placed on top of the Earth so the Earth wouldn't move? lol

My bet is always on the mountains contributing to the gravity of earth, if science didn't calculate it now it will tomorrow.

I mean the verse before explicitly described the Big Bang.

But you know how mountains form, right?

[The Grand Nudger]

God staked them down, magic book says so. Another variation on the question before. If the current scientific explanation is the correct one, such that a magic book saying something kinda like it if you squint sideways is truth affirming...then wouldn't magic book getting things wrong be truth denying? Are we entirely sure..as a devout muslim, we want to grant the current scientific consensus primacy over the words revealed to big mo by his imaginary friend in a random cave?

That, as I see it, is the trouble with scientific miracles nutballs (at least with respect to the continued existence of an unsecularized islamic faith). Their actual religion, the thing they look at to ascertain truths of the highest importance to them, is science...not islam. Even more pathetically, it can be argued that they have no religion at all - merely a collection of loose and ludicrous superstitions.

[Brian37]

Uggggggg.

Mystic, Muslims are not the only ones who have apologists who try to retrofit their mythology to modern science. 

Christians often quote Thomas Aquinas as having insight modern knowledge of Quantum Mechanics /Quantum Physics" as proof that the bible was a prediction and Jesus was the one true god.

Neurosurgeon Sam Harris always loves to try to use science to say that there is something to Buddhism. I don't agree with him either.

I have also run into Jews and Hindus that also claim that science points to their club.

Whatever religion's members want to claim they contributed to science, none of those findings mean that their god/club is the seat of curiosity and invention and discovery. Our species ability to find answers is not rooted in ambiguous words in old books of mythology. The ancient Greeks coined the word "atom" but back then, they only meant, the tiniest thing you could imagine. They had no clue, and could not have had any clue what a proton or neutron or quark or electron or Higgs Boson particle were. Saying that you "observe" something, does not mean you know anything about what you claim to have observed. Same thing with the words "Unidentified flying object" or "UFO". If you don't know what you are observing moving around in the sky, you don't get to default to little green men from Mars. 

Bottom line, our species ability to be curious and make discoveries is not rooted on old mythology, those abilities are because of our evolution.

[brewer]

Hi Winter. I'm kind of surprised that your bipolar depressive phase kept you away this long.

How's your MS?

Hey brewer, life kept me away not sickness : 
thank you.

Well, when you're not here for two months my first thought is that you're in a funk.

[Angrboda]

The older I get, the more respect I have for people who simply say they believe on faith and that's good enough for them. At the other end of the spectrum you have people like Winterhold whose incessant attempts to plaster over their faith with a veneer of pathetically unconvincing rationality bespeaks an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance. Their behavior strongly suggests that they're only holding onto belief by way of enormous effort to counteract and suppress facts that they find distressing and which sorely test their level of commitment.

[The Grand Nudger]

They come here to whistle past the graveyard....as another poster once so succinctly offered.

My wife, bless her sainted heart, handed me one of the most blunt and inarguable defenses of the religion she was brought up in that I have ever heard. That, ultimately, it's just what she believed..and... while she recognized that her faith could not be reconciled with her rationality, that was fine with her. Why would a world of magic conform to rational or scientific expectations, anyway?

[WinterHold]

God staked them down, magic book says so.  Another variation on the question before.  If the current scientific explanation is the correct one, such that a magic book saying something kinda like it if you squint sideways is truth affirming...then wouldn't magic book getting things wrong be truth denying?  Are we entirely sure..as a devout muslim, we want to grant the current scientific consensus primacy over the words revealed to big mo by his imaginary friend in a random cave?

That, as I see it, is the trouble with scientific miracles nutballs (at least with respect to the continued existence of an unsecularized islamic faith).  Their actual religion, the thing they look at to ascertain truths of the highest importance to them, is science...not islam.  Even more pathetically, it can be argued that they have no religion at all - merely a collection of loose and ludicrous superstitions.

The method God used to stake the mountains down is described in scientific books, but attributed to the "laws of physics".

Similar to saying simply that "mountains formed in America"; but in full details it is a long process that happened across billions of years.


Sure, scientific consensus gives the details of the processes, for example it shows us how mountains came to be. But the Quran tells you who caused things to move that way in the first place: until this day scientists have no idea why the universe came to be.

Read my text again and again: scientists' knowledge stop at the explosion of the Singularity; nobody knows what came before the Singularity:



 

Nobody ever ever scientists, I believe that the Quran gave the scenario for what came before it and came after it.

Secularisation of Islam will fail because you have no answer of what came before the Big Bang.
While Islam gave a fine scenario for what came before.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Nope