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Roe v. Wade is gone.
RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
Yes, your parents are related, as were their parents. And probably their parents.

Can you even manage to wipe your own ass dmitry?

And you are a coward. A coward who is to fucking stupid too understand why you were called one.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
(October 29, 2023 at 7:00 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 28, 2023 at 11:45 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: "Could be" is irrelevant unless you demonstrate that ineffable soul actually exists. 

Pro-choicers claim that human consciousness is physical. Burden of proof is on you.


You implied without evidence that the brain was a transceiver. I ask for evidence and you instead shift the burden of proof.

You have no evidence, but lack the intellectual integrity to admit it. Pathetic. Stick to sucking off Putin, at least we know he exists.

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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
(October 29, 2023 at 7:00 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 28, 2023 at 11:45 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: "Could be" is irrelevant unless you demonstrate that ineffable soul actually exists. 

Pro-choicers claim that human consciousness is physical. Burden of proof is on you.

That's fallacious as you're illicitly trying to shift the burden of proof. Denied.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
(October 29, 2023 at 6:59 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 28, 2023 at 11:04 am)ShinyCrystals Wrote: I do want to say, philosophers are just philosophers, not scientists. No matter how many of them agree on anything in regards to human life, they do not know a thing.
They can ask questions that you are supposed to answer.

Quote:Therefore, I can say the pro-life people are hypocrites.
Just like pro-choicers that are against 2nd amendment and support forced covid vaccination.

Quote:And even if a fetus develops a consciousness, it still is not a living being physically. Having a consciousness only does so much to make a being a living thing, as it is not the only thing that makes a person living.
Are you claiming that there are conscious beings that are not alive?

But are the philosophers even qualified to answer some things?

And where did the pro-choice people support forced vaccinations?

Also, I said they are not alive physically. That said, like I said, a fetus does not even have a fully developed brain, and there is no other source for the consciousness as you claim. So a fetus is not alive either way.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
(October 29, 2023 at 7:11 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Sex can lead to pregnancy so women get pregnant voluntary.

1) Contraceptives often fail. The ensuing pregnancy is obviously not voluntary.
2) Women do get raped. That pregnancy, too, is involuntary.

Why you think your religion gives you the right to tell other people what to do with their bodies is beyond me, but so far as I can see you're just another busybody religious misogynist. Maybe you should remember that whole mote/beam thing Jesus allegedly talked about.

(October 29, 2023 at 7:11 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Every year American women kill 800,000 unborn babies. This is genocide.

No, that's not what genocide is. Look up words when you don't know their meanings.

(October 29, 2023 at 6:59 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Just like pro-choicers that are against 2nd amendment and support forced covid vaccination.

Well, while you can catch bullets from a madman's gun and diseases from unvaccinated people, you can't catch pregnancy from a pregnant woman. It follows that your comparison here is vapid and pointless.

Behaviors that can kill others should be regulated. For that matter, I think abortion should be regulated as well. I just don't think I should tell a woman what life decisions she should make. I don't think you should do that either. You can keep your autocracy in your own little fascist heaven, thanks.

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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
Well, as others may have said...

In terms of sex and pregnancy being voluntary, in most cases, only sex is the voluntary thing here. Pregnancy itself may not be voluntary, as Thumpalumpacus said. In fact, it might be unexpected. In the case of condoms, women can still get pregnant, since condoms do not work half the time. Plus, there is rape to be considered too, which is not voluntary. A woman has to give consent to a man to have sex for it to be considered sex instead of rape, otherwise, it is forced, and not welcome.

I also think some people do not know what genocide is when it comes to abortion. Not only is a fetus still a fetus, a non-living thing, but genocide is the killing of people of a certain group that is composed of already born, living people. Hamas beheading and killing babies and children is more genocidal than a bunch of fetuses that are unborn being aborted, if you can call the latter genocidal at all. A fetus is still part of a woman's body, so a woman should have say on what to do with it. The fetus cannot exercise many rights anyway, if any at all, and a fetus should not be given priority over an adult mother, who is a woman, and women have had to deal with suppression from men who exert power over them, and those women had to fight to get their rights over the years. a fetus cannot really do that, so that is a reason why it is not a person.

As for the forced vaccination comparison, the person who made that comparison, Dimitry1983, is comparing apples to oranges. First, those are mandates, and mandates, as well as laws, are imposed by the government to keep people safe. In fact, without government, there will only be just the people, and that leads to anarchy, which the founding fathers of the USA feared, by the way. Mandates keep us safe, or else people would not know what to do, and that would lead to many people getting themselves harmed or others harmed. As for the second amendment, the right to bear arms, that has been abused lately. Many people have shown to be irresponsible with guns, and in the USA, we have had over 36 mass shootings this year alone. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with abortions, which are not necessarily forced. An abortion is of a woman's choice, normally, and they should have that right. It is not the same as killing living people at all with guns, which is against the law, and abortion is only stopping a fetus from developing, and it really is not alive in the first place. Forced vaccines and the second amendment have nothing to do with abortions, and not everyone is responsible to exercise their rights or keep themselves safe. Besides, mandates are usually temporary, are they not?

I think you don't know how many people are responsible in the USA, Dimitry. Besides, banning abortions is a regression, a reactionary move by the Supreme Court justices; something that should not happen in the USA. The United States Supreme Court needs reform and newly enforced limits on Supreme Court Justices (like removing the "being a Justice for life" part), anyway.
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Quote:No, you need an explanation otherwise any magic trick could be considered as evidence of supernatural.
Nope, no lack of an explanation leads to the supernatural merely ignorance till you produce actual evidence of the supernatural, and no other explanation is required to reject the supernatural. 



Quote:Corpses aren't very different from developed adults yet we don't consider them alive. Minds matter.
Now you created a new false comparison 




Quote:Sex can lead to pregnancy so women get pregnant voluntary.
I repeat an agreement to sex is not an agreement to pregnancy  those are two separate things and a woman has every right to choose to stop the latter 





Quote:Every year American women kill 800,000 unborn babies. This is genocide.
Nope every year women choose there own reproductive cycle. That's not genocide
"Change was inevitable"


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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
(October 29, 2023 at 7:02 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 28, 2023 at 12:49 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: And, here is the crux of the matter. You want to control and slut-shame women. Can't have them uppity women-folk gettin' laid just for fun like all the men-folk do!

Folk like you make me weep for the species!

No, if a woman can't get pregnant I'm not against her being sexually active.

So, only infertile women can fuck for pleasure?!?
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
(October 29, 2023 at 7:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 28, 2023 at 2:13 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Coward

Atheists have low fertility and retention rates and are dying out globally. Why would anyone be afraid of you?

Citation needed, you moron.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
(October 29, 2023 at 7:11 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Every year American women kill 800,000 unborn babies. This is genocide.

You obviously have trouble with words and definitions. What you're describing is in no way a genocide.

Please remember, it is better to be thought a fucking imbecile than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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