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A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
#31
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
Quote:*emphasis mine*

So produce the evidence that disproves God, I'll wait...
The only evidence anyone needs is your side's total failure to provide any ... Dodgy
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#32
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
(June 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm)rlp21858 Wrote: Jehanne is there any aspect of what is commonly called God that you do believe?

No.
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#33
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
(June 28, 2022 at 6:14 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(June 27, 2022 at 8:27 am)GUBU Wrote: In response to the OPs long line of bovine excremen,t all faith is is something you hold to be true despite evidence to the contrary.
*emphasis mine*

So produce the evidence that disproves God, I'll wait...
So produce the evidence that disproves FSM, I'll wait...
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

      Conservative trigger warning.
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#34
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
(June 28, 2022 at 10:03 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: So produce the evidence that disproves FSM, I'll wait...


Ha - I had to laugh when I read this, since I'm wearing my FSM t-shirt right now.  I think I get more comments about it (just an image, no notation of what it is) than anything else I wear in public, with the possible exception of the TsT goat head and pentagram (special occasions only).
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#35
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
(June 28, 2022 at 3:51 pm)rlp21858 Wrote: Deesse23: i believe that life is to be lived not by trying to "be right", as deemed by another, but by what we believe to be right.  but i believe there are many believers doing the former instead of living the latter by faith.
You are avoiding to give answers to my questions. Why?

I asked you what method you have to figure out right from wrong (why you believe you are practicing chritianity in a "correct" manner, unlike everyone else). Your answer: i am going for my "personal" right and wrong, not for what others think are righ tand wrong.

Do you care if your beliefs are true?
Do you think we are living in a shared reality, where there is only one "right/true" thing regarding the existence of....tomatos for example? Do you think tomatos can exist for me but not for you?

Please define faith as well. To me its the excuse people give for believing, in absence of an actual good reason. This is because, otherwise they would give the that good reason.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#36
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
(June 28, 2022 at 5:44 am)rlp21858 Wrote: I can see this being said about many people's demonstration of Christianity, but not when it's followed properly.

Hello and welcome to the forum.   Great 

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#37
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
Some of the best thoughts on faith were said by Ana Kasparian a few years ago



teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#38
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
TheJefe817: if you want to believe in God, i think you can. but i think you have to start taking a more active role in the process of believing. what another believes has nothing to do with what you believe, nor over what you need to be able to believe: this is determined by you. so to be of a mind that someone else has to convince you before you'll believe, that they have final influence over what you will believe, i think may be a big part of the problem. i dont think the "God question" will ever be analyzed to the point where it can be beaten over someone's head almost against their will, nor to the point where believing will be any more of a "natural" decision than it is for you now. the decision to believe is always a choice, and one that takes practice even for believers.

i may be offline today but i plan to check again later.
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#39
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
(June 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm)rlp21858 Wrote: Grand Nudger: well, i do think you'll have to tell me what you believe a god is.

Not really, since "atheist" is a completely inarguable comment about what I am..not what a god is.  That said, we need look no further than the christian god for an example of the kind of thing I don't believe in.  Christians believe in a personal and intervening deity - and I do not.  

There are other types of gods (as many as there are different types of people) - but I don't believe in any of them either.  It really is that simple. I don't believe in personal gods or impersonal gods. I don't believe in intervening gods or in absentee gods. I don't believe in big g gods, or little g gods. I don't believe in new gods, I don't believe in old gods. You may think I'm mistaken in thinking that there are no gods, but there's no way to sell the notion that I'm mistaken about whether I believe in them. To be completely fair (and save you tons of time) you wouldn't have any more luck in trying to convince me that I was wrong..not about what I do and don't believe - but about whether gods existed....and supposing this was opposites world and you did, it still wouldn't matter to me.

That's a thing that people tend to learn too late here, in my experience. Christians, for example, waste their time trying to prove or assert that their god exists when a gods existence is irrelevant to whether I would join it's club. There are plenty of real dirtbags who don't have to be argued into existence and I haven't joined their clubs either. So, instead of meandering around with what has only ever been and can only ever be a completely unproductive discussion of what gods are, let's just assume that a god exists, and that it's your god - and I'll still pass. Especially so, in that case. The grand irony of apologetics with a person like me is that the more you insist it's true the more reason I have to reject it. It's worse as a reality than it is as a fantasy. With respect, I don't think any misunderstanding on my part is operative here.

I can no more choose to believe in your god, or any god, than I could choose to join your gods club. Whatever you think any of the other facts of the matter are - this is me, telling you a fact of the matter of me. No amount of practice....whatever that's supposed to be... changes that. Just like I could shovel dogshit in my mouth all day long and over decades and still not enjoy the flavor. Do you really want to be the guy holding the spoon, insisting that if I (or anyone else) tries just one more bite of dogshit, we might suddenly like it? Sounds absurd, right?

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#40
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
(June 29, 2022 at 9:12 am)rlp21858 Wrote: the decision to believe is always a choice

No, it's absolutely not.  I can practice belief by praying to a rock too, but I won't believe in it, and more importantly it still won't be true.

I snipped the rest.  This is the only relevant thing you said.  I suspected there was an apologetic coming, and you proved it by assuming rather than listening.  You were only waiting for your chance to speak/preach.  Reply or don't - you've ended the conversation with that response.
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