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RE: The Absurd GOP
10 hours ago
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(Yesterday at 4:59 pm)Nanny Wrote: That one's as sharp as a bowling ball.
Everyone is free to say what they want. but actions, including speech, have consequences. The exercise of any right comes with the risk of infringing, or even just upsetting, others. We are all accountable for the choices we make.
The youngling has much to learn.
The fact is that you do not have the right to free speech at work. A private company can and will set bounds on speech. The 1st Amendment only applies to government, not to private entities.
If he doesn't like working for a company which bars offensive speech, he's welcome to find a job elsewhere.
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RE: The Absurd GOP
9 hours ago
(Yesterday at 9:23 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: (Yesterday at 9:17 pm)Silver Wrote: Even if they didn't go out of their way to offend, one should always think before speaking. Consider the location and the audience, then speak accordingly.
Agreed, but I don't see how the conclusion is that the state and your boss must now be the police of your speech.
It's a workplace, not a public environment for speechifying. The boss is actually the guy who enforces the company's rules about how workers treat one another.
Or would you deny private companies the right to enforce their own ethos on their own private property?
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RE: The Absurd GOP
9 hours ago
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Quote:I'm glad not all of us are such cynical assholes about people who disagree with us, because yeah - I do believe there is hope for you even despite how brainwashed you are
Nah, the only one around here who is brainwashed is you by right wing nonsense
Quote:That goes for everyone, other than the two assholes who are obsessed with trying to racially harass me with impunity. Which is weird af to harass a Hispanic-American for being white...
No one here was racist towards you or is racist
Quote:Your boss is not your father; it is not his job to do what every adult should be able to do at the most basic level; solve interpersonal problems *by themselves.*
A boss is an administrative figure who should make it clear asshole behavior has no place at work.
Quote:You are an adult; your coworker is an adult - behave like it.
It's 100% adult to report asshole behavior at work to people higher up so they can handle it
Quote:You don't like what they said? Cool, ignore it.
You don't like what they said? report it because asshole behavior has no place at work nor should you have to put up with it
Quote:They won't let you ignore it? Cool, they are fired.
Let's just skip that part and go straight to the part were the person is yeeted for asshole behavior
Quote:It's truly that easy.
Know what else is easy, not being an asshole at work. Know what else is easy, reporting that. Know what else is easy, making it clear asshole behavior has no place at work and yeeting them for it.
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RE: The Absurd GOP
9 hours ago
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Quote:I agree, which has been my position from the start.
Words, no matter how much we dislike them, are not something severe enough to attack someone over; harassment is.
Nope, words are asshole behavior and should get you the boot. It should never have to move to harassment to get some out on their ear
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RE: The Absurd GOP
9 hours ago
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Quote:Bingo, spot on.
And for you, what would be your reaction if the boss then told you that you were being dramatic, that it wasn't racism, and that if you reported it to him again you would be cited for abusing the rules and safeguards detailed within the code of conduct you signed when you joined the organization?
Then I would go higher up or elsewhere or report him if it's possible because my boss is clearly allowing behavior that not acceptable within a work place. You're not being dramatic, he's being negligent or worse.
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RE: The Absurd GOP
9 hours ago
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To sum up
1. It's easy not to be an asshole at work your choice to be an asshole was just that and any consequences that follow is 100% on you.
2. Speech is enough you're free to say what you want, but you're not free from the consequences
3. Any responsible boss will fire someone displaying said behavior and if he doesn't then you need to find someone who will, and you should mark your boss too for allowing this kind of stuff to go down in his workplace.
4. It never has to move to level of harassment to report them words are enough
5. It's not childish or dramatic to report a colleague for asshole behavior. No you don't have to ignore it nor are you in any way compelled to negotiate this asshole he's in the wrong here not you.
So pretty much the opposite of what this knob heads been saying
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RE: The Absurd GOP
8 hours ago
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Quote:Then I would go higher up or elsewhere or report him if it's possible because my boss is clearly allowing behavior that not acceptable within a work place. You're not being dramatic, he's being negligent or worse.
His boss agrees with him, and the company refuses to make changes - instead insisting that you are the person causing problems and not to bother him again or you will be fired.
Sounds like a sucky situation, doesn't it?
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RE: The Absurd GOP
6 hours ago
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Quote:His boss agrees with him, and the company refuses to make changes - instead insisting that you are the person causing problems and not to bother him again or you will be fired.
Then I have to go even higher if possible, or I will persist. Whoever or whatever it takes to hold them accountable, if that costs me my job, then so be it. (though the scenario you're putting forward is pie in the sky, most bosses won't put up with asshole behavior because they themselves are not an assholes)
Quote:Sounds like a sucky situation, doesn't it?
Not as sucky as it is for the employees who have to put up with an obvious asshole being given free-range to be an asshole or having to work under bosses who won't deal with it.(luckily a lot of the time this isn't the case)
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RE: The Absurd GOP
6 hours ago
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(Yesterday at 9:47 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: (Yesterday at 9:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: My wife is the entire HR department at her business (also, CEO,CFO, managing director and every other corporate officer you can think of).
She once summarily sacked an employee for using an ethnic slur - which I won’t repeat here - about a Maori customer. Seems a good practice to follow.
Boru
Weird flex, but okay.
It would seem wise to follow her example then, but something tells me they won't be gone come tomorrow...
Sorry, who won't be gone tomorrow?
Re some of your other remarkably stupid comments:
It is ABSOLUTELY part of a boss's job to - in a sense - parent a company's employees. If the boss's chief responsibility it to maximize production/profits, part of that is to take steps to provide a positive working environment. This why so many companies have HR departments.
I respect your right to be stupid, but I think it may be inadvisable to do so at the top of your voice.
Boru
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RE: The Absurd GOP
5 hours ago
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(6 hours ago)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Yesterday at 9:47 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Weird flex, but okay.
It would seem wise to follow her example then, but something tells me they won't be gone come tomorrow...
Sorry, who won't be gone tomorrow?
Boru He seems to think bosses don't fire asshole employees or want to (When they most certainly do)
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