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RE: Can multiple people hallucinate the same thing at the same time ?
August 21, 2022 at 12:12 pm
(August 21, 2022 at 11:52 am)Jehanne Wrote: (August 21, 2022 at 9:15 am)LazaB Wrote: And i don't care about those examples , but when multiple people claim to have seen the same thing at the same time ( without any drugs , without expecting miracles , without eye irritation and so on ) then i get interested and there is no satisfactory explanation.
No, there are satisfactory explanations -- you just won't consider them, namely, documented behavior in religious cults.
I am considering everything , i just don't see how documented behavior in religious cults can explain a mother and her kid hallucinating the same person at the same time , i guess religious cults lie so a mother and the kid could be lying ( that is a far more logical explanation than ghosts ).
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RE: Can multiple people hallucinate the same thing at the same time ?
August 21, 2022 at 12:30 pm
(August 21, 2022 at 12:12 pm)LazaB Wrote: (August 21, 2022 at 11:52 am)Jehanne Wrote: No, there are satisfactory explanations -- you just won't consider them, namely, documented behavior in religious cults.
I am considering everything , i just don't see how documented behavior in religious cults can explain a mother and her kid hallucinating the same person at the same time , i guess religious cults lie so a mother and the kid could be lying ( that is a far more logical explanation than ghosts ).
Some mothers can convince their daughters (and sons) of all sorts of things!
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RE: Can multiple people hallucinate the same thing at the same time ?
August 21, 2022 at 4:08 pm
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(August 21, 2022 at 12:12 pm)LazaB Wrote: (August 21, 2022 at 11:52 am)Jehanne Wrote: No, there are satisfactory explanations -- you just won't consider them, namely, documented behavior in religious cults.
I am considering everything , i just don't see how documented behavior in religious cults can explain a mother and her kid hallucinating the same person at the same time , i guess religious cults lie so a mother and the kid could be lying ( that is a far more logical explanation than ghosts ).
A mass delusion in a cult is not the the same phenomena, even on it's surface, as a story between a mother and a son. Thus the unresolvable dilemma, but only for you.
Even though there are many explanations for any of these behaviors, none of them explain all of these behaviors alone...and therefore none are "satisfactory". The fun trick is that no explanation, even "literal ghosts" could be satisfactory under those conditions.
A person would have to make up some complete and utter bullshit, even on it's own terms, in order to satisfy the sense of explanatory power you insist upon. As, even though no one explanation could possibly account for so much disparate x, that's what would need to be asserted...for you to feel that any assertion was satisfactory.
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RE: Can multiple people hallucinate the same thing at the same time ?
August 21, 2022 at 4:42 pm
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Here's a great article:
Wikipedia -- Anomalous experiences
Given the high percentage of people who have the above experiences, just by chance alone, groups of multiple people having similar experiences at the same time is to be expected, by chance alone.
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RE: Can multiple people hallucinate the same thing at the same time ?
August 24, 2022 at 8:12 am
From what I understand, group hallucination is not a possible thing but it's rather some other things that are at work, like mass hysteria and the power of suggestion.
Like, 18 people have claimed to have seen the golden tablets that were the original Book of Mormon.
Now, was that a mass hallucination? Were the people lying? Was someone lying that they saw it? Or maybe something else happened.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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