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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:08 am
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Quote:If you studied it consistently you would know that mammals flourished during PETM when temperature was 10 degrees Celsius higher.
Pointing to climate conditions of the past and methods of warming of the past is not a valid method you can apply to now. This is a fallacy
Quote:Average Earth's temperature was 6 degrees Celsius higher for the last 500 million years and life was doing just fine so generally warmer wetter climate is good for life.
Pointing to climate conditions of the past and methods of warming of the past is not a valid method you can apply to now. This is a fallacy
Quote:Scientists say that warmer wetter climate is a net positive.
No, they don't as an absolute. They do point to the fact climate change is a net negative for humanity.
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:10 am
(January 14, 2023 at 6:57 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 14, 2023 at 6:15 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: They will be good places to live
Which has fuck all to do with Russia regaining superpower status.
Boru
So you agree that global warming will benefit the Global North in general?
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:12 am
Quote:So you agree that global warming will benefit the Global North in general?
He didn't say that
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:16 am
(January 14, 2023 at 7:00 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:I mean that species can move closer to North and South poles. Only equatorial regions will probably become uninhabitable.
Nope, eventually, these effects will harm species even in the farthest regions of the earth. No, those regions were doing fine when temperature was higher in the past.
Quote:This also assumes these species can make it there.
Most species can.
Quote:Not necessarily. They may move there during a more habitable period only to then suffer the later drawbacks
What drawbacks?
Quote:by the way, permafrost affects things well outside its immediate region
I'm talking only about the Global North.
Quote:Now it is and in the future, other factors will be the cause.
No, they won't
Quote:Under the climate conditions of the time by the method of warming that caused it. It can't be used as a comparison to now.... 
NASA already reports increased rainfall over Sahara.
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:20 am
Quote:No, those regions were doing fine when temperature was higher in the past.
Pointing to regions faired in the past says nothing about how they will fair now .....
Quote:Most species can.
Assertion
Quote:What drawbacks?
The ones that were listed and more
Quote:I'm talking only about the Global North.
I am too
Quote:No, they won't
Yes they will
Quote:NASA already reports increased rainfall over Sahara.
Yup which does not mean it will have the same effect it did in the past nor refutes the idea desserts will expand.
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:20 am
(January 14, 2023 at 7:08 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:If you studied it consistently you would know that mammals flourished during PETM when temperature was 10 degrees Celsius higher.
Pointing to climate conditions of the past and methods of warming of the past is not a valid method you can apply to now. This is a fallacy No, it's not. Based on scientific evidence most species benefit from warmer climate.
Quote:Pointing to climate conditions of the past and methods of warming of the past is not a valid method you can apply to now. This is a fallacy
Ignoring scientific evidence is antithetical to atheism.
Quote:Quote:Scientists say that warmer wetter climate is a net positive.
No, they don't as an absolute. They do point to the fact climate change is a net negative for humanity.
but it is also a net positive for Northern countries and life on Earth in general.
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:24 am
Quote:No, it's not. Based on scientific evidence most species benefit from warmer climate.
Yes, it is. Pointing to past climate conditions and applying it to now is not scientific and is a fallacy.
Quote:Ignoring scientific evidence is antithetical to atheism.
I'm not. I'm ignoring your unfounded reasoning.
Quote:but it is also a net positive for Northern countries and life on Earth in general.
Nope, and I already pointed out why and no it won't be. Despite your assertions.
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:32 am
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(January 14, 2023 at 7:20 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:No, those regions were doing fine when temperature was higher in the past.
Pointing to regions faired in the past says nothing about how they will fair now ..... You are ignoring scientific evidence so you are science denier.
Quote:Quote:Most species can.
Assertion
Scientific fact
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/whale-...rhighways/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_migration
Quote:Quote:What drawbacks?
The ones that were listed and more
they have minimal impact on habitability
Quote:Quote:I'm talking only about the Global North.
I am too
How does permafrost in Siberia affect other Northern countries?
Quote:Quote:NASA already reports increased rainfall over Sahara.
Yup which does not mean it will have the same effect it did in the past nor refutes the idea desserts will expand.
It's common sense that more precipitation means less deserts and scientific evidence supports this claim.
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 7:38 am
Quote:You ignoring scientific evidence so you are science denier.
Except I'm not denying science. I'm rejecting your flawed reasoning
Quote:Scientific fact
This refutes nothing
Quote:they have minimal impact on habitability
No, they don't
Quote:How does permafrost in Siberia affect other Northern countries?
Lol, are you seriously asking how Siberian permafrost affects the general north?..... 
Quote:It's common sense that more precipitation means less deserts and scientific evidence supports this claim.
Commonsense isn't a great determiner of much and no science does not support this claim at all.
"Change was inevitable"
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RE: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
January 14, 2023 at 9:54 am
(January 14, 2023 at 7:24 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:No, it's not. Based on scientific evidence most species benefit from warmer climate.
Yes, it is. Pointing to past climate conditions and applying it to now is not scientific and is a fallacy. Denying scientific evidence is not scientific and is a fallacy.
Quote:Quote:Ignoring scientific evidence is antithetical to atheism.
I'm not. I'm ignoring your unfounded reasoning.
You are ignoring a scientific fact that life thrives in warmer climate.
Quote:Quote:but it is also a net positive for Northern countries and life on Earth in general.
Nope, and I already pointed out why and no it won't be. Despite your assertions.
It's not my assertions. Scientists claim that Northern countries will benefit from global warming.
(January 14, 2023 at 7:38 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:You ignoring scientific evidence so you are science denier.
Except I'm not denying science. I'm rejecting your flawed reasoning You are rejecting scientific evidence.
Quote:Quote:Scientific fact
This refutes nothing
It supports my claim that most species don't need to adapt quickly to changing climate.
Quote:Quote:they have minimal impact on habitability
No, they don't
Yes they do
Quote:Quote:How does permafrost in Siberia affect other Northern countries?
Lol, are you seriously asking how Siberian permafrost affects the general north?.....
Yes, how does permafrost in Siberia make Canada less habitable?
Quote:Quote:It's common sense that more precipitation means less deserts and scientific evidence supports this claim.
Commonsense isn't a great determiner of much and no science does not support this claim at all.
Except it does
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_humid_period
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