Just When You Thought Arizona Couldn't Get Stupider...

[Violet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts
Or even better...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rev...rebellions

Surely you don't presume all of these occurred without the use of extremely deadly force?

And this relates to legalising concealed weapons...how? When I mentioned a time when everyone was given a knife, it was to defend themselves. Stabbings went sky high soon after, it demonstrates what could happen again but this time with guns. You have to ask yourself, are we repeating the past and it's mistakes?
Rebellions and uprising is a different topic.

It's easier to organize a revolt when your enemy cannot see all your cards. Everyone has always had shovels, hoes, pitchforks, sickles, hammers, hands and feet... and all of these have been used to slay. Those murders that occurred via stabbing would quite likely be instead handled via strangling, beating, stabbing with non-knife sharp objects (ie: pitchforks), etc.

And knives have been a somewhat common household item in most countries for a fairly long time indeed. The castle kept swords (and now the government keeps the automatics), the people kept mini swords (knives).

We aren't repeating the past and its mistakes, you are taking the past out of context when you note that there were more stabbings without an understanding of what was going on in the time period. With very limited data, you claim that people were murdered because people had knives. I counter that people in america have knives and I haven't heard of a stabbing in this area in at least a year.

Only... everyone can have a knife. They are remarkably easy to conceal. Sword too if you are doing it right Handguns are much harder to obtain.

Aye, it's so very easy to pick up a knife and go use it on someone. You know how easy it would be for me to buy a deadly crossbow online, go to the town centre with it, get onto a roof top and shoot people dead with it. I could go wait in the trees until someone walks by. Just aim and fire. Too easy.
Not hard at all. Despite the easiness of it, no one has. Not to my knowledge anyway. I think it's through education, prevention, community minded people and improved security that we can stop violent and potentially armed criminals. Not arming up the general public.

The general public which *is* armed, you mean? I look around the room I'm in right now, and I know 4 people who are armed, 3 who are not, and 6 which may or may not be armed. It is a risky proposition to engage in crime involving people when one is uncertain as to whether a person is armed or not.

As for the reason not many people engage in such crimes as multiple murders: it is *not* easy to get away with. The government is almost certain to find the person. That person could well spend the rest of their life bored or waiting in line to die.

Arming your populace means that they don't even get to wait in line to die, and have a very low chance of escape. Having another tool isn't going to cause very many people to go murder someone else... most of those that are murdered with a tool would have been attacked anyway (if not murdered anyway).

[Ace Otana]

Everyone has always had shovels, hoes, pitchforks, sickles, hammers, hands and feet... and all of these have been used to slay.

So you think it's ok to go one step further by leaving your house with a knife or gun? This helps how?.

And knives have been a somewhat common household item in most countries for a fairly long time indeed.

Yes knives in a house is common and quite normal. But why leave the house with a knife? What are you going to do? Cut meat up in the meddle of the street?

With very limited data, you claim that people were murdered because people had knives.

Corpses with stab wounds often leads to a knife crime. Basic logic really. You can tell crime has gone up because of the increased reports...and bodies.

I look around the room I'm in right now, and I know 4 people who are armed,

Why are they armed?

As for the reason not many people engage in such crimes as multiple murders: it is *not* easy to get away with. The government is almost certain to find the person. That person could well spend the rest of their life bored or waiting in line to die.

If criminals are strongly deterred by law and justice and thus making crime unlikely to affect you, why arm yourself?

Arming your populace means that they don't even get to wait in line to die, and have a very low chance of escape. Having another tool isn't going to cause very many people to go murder someone else... most of those that are murdered with a tool would have been attacked anyway (if not murdered anyway).

How civilised.

If Ace doesnt like guns, and thinks disarming is great, then he can get rid of HIS guns and disarm HIMSELF.

I'm not trying to dictate unto others of their freedoms. An opinion is all I have given. I believe concealed weapons are wrong. My opinion, not something I'm trying to dictate unto others good sir.

[Dotard]

When I mentioned a time when everyone was given a knife, it was to defend themselves. Stabbings went sky high soon after, ....

MAYBE, just maybe everyone was given a knife to protect themselves because crime was at an high. And all the 'sky high' stabbings were people actually defending themselves from attackers.

It's a probability.

[Ace Otana]

When I mentioned a time when everyone was given a knife, it was to defend themselves. Stabbings went sky high soon after, ....

MAYBE, just maybe everyone was given a knife to protect themselves because crime was at an high. And all the 'sky high' stabbings were people actually defending themselves from attackers.

It's a probability.

True, true. Further research in need I believe.

[Dotard]

But why leave the house with a knife? What are you going to do? Cut meat up in the meddle of the street?

To stab the motherfucker who is coming at me with intent to do me, or my loved ones, bodily harm.

Simples. Did you really have to ask?
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Oh, and what part of the street is the 'meddle'?

[Skipper]

The meddle of the street is the part between the lift and the rught.

[Ace Otana]

To stab the motherfucker who is coming at me with intent to do me, or my loved ones, bodily harm.

Simples. Did you really have to ask?
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Oh, and what part of the street is the 'meddle'?

That knife you take out with you can be used against you as well. The more weapons in a fight, the greater the danger of them being used, even on yourself.

Oh, and what part of the street is the 'meddle'?

Typo.

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I have decided that you Americans are just too uncivilised and vulgar.

Gotta call it a night. Seeya later you lot.
Good debate we had.

[Skipper]

Gotta call it a night. Seeya later you lot.
Good debate we had.

Yea I should be calling it a night too, gotta be up early in the morning...not as early as if I lived in the states though, I can have an extra 10 minutes in bed because I don't have to load my gun and put my holster on

[reverendjeremiah]

Believing in a god is not the same as carrying a deadly weapon around with you. If the police force is deterring crime well and to the point where confrontation is unlikely, I see no reason to carry any weapon around with you. Some freedoms should not be, for the betterment of society.
I understand and respect your opinion.

Last I checked your Police force wasnt doing as great as you try to put it off. Last I checked you brits have QUITE the bit of murders still going on. You see, I dont care what you think about what kind of weapon I should be carrying around. How about you worry about your own rights and I will worry about mine. I would be willing to fight for your human right to arm yourself, but you would probably take mine away. See the difference?

Let me teach you something about Americans. This is just an example, dont take it personl okay?: When you say things like "Some freedoms should not be, for the betterment of society." When it comes to protecting yourself, you will make enemies quick with Americans. Those are fighting words over here. Saying that you respect my opinion right after you say you have no problem taking my right to protect myself away is not considered respect over here. It is considered a slap in the face after an insult. You would get sneers, and many people who you considered to be friendly to you would turn around and walk away from you never saying another word to you again.

Im not saying I want to fight you or anything. Im just saying that THAT is what many Americans would say and do to you, and probably not as nice as I did. We do have some MAJOR differences between our societies. We consider owning weapons the second highest human right next to Freedoms of conscience (beliefs, personal opinions, speech), which is the number one law of the land and the most important human right. Some of us Americans think owning weapons to defend yourself is the greatest human right that WILL NOT be taken away..."From my cold, dead hands" is what they say. "Guns, god, and Government" is what they say. I have to live with these people. Many of them are nice folk.

Big difference huh?

Never needed a weapon yet, don't think I ever will. Over here, you can defend yourself, even with canes, just not deadly weapons, you can be trained to disarm attackers. I believe it's called reasonable force. Some freedoms can do more harm than good.

Well, sorry to hear that you hate freedom so much. Seems like every third sentence you type you are disrespecting freedom. So apparently, to you, people cant use "reasonable force" with a gun. I personally never needed a weapon yet either. America is very peaceful in my opinion. Lets hope I will not need a weapon for the rest of my life. Of course, I mean it differently than you say it.

No crime...or virtually none. Yet you'd still carry a deadly weapon around with you? Why?

Because here in America we still respect the basic human right for people to protect themselves. Of course, that is probably going in one ear and out of the other for you. Do you think we pull our guns and knives out for every fight? Think we are gun slinging cowboys still? In America, you dont tell people why, or how many weapons you carry with you. So it is considered rude to ask SERIOUSLY if you are packing heat unless you get into a situation that demands it.

I appreciate yours too. I would never dictate the freedom of others from other lands, friend.
You have your opinions and laws, I have mine.

So all of those times where you said you didnt think I should have the right to have weapons (I see no reason to carry any weapon around with you) you were saying it for YOUR country, and not for me? the friendship thing is not an issue. I dont hate you. I think you are a bit OFF on your human rights, but that is fixable.

Think you'll find that most Brits are happy without the freedom to carry deadly weapons around with them. No need for them. I like to think that we are above that.

So people who arm them selves are lower than the Brits? Lets see. We Americans kicked you out of our country..what? Twice? Then we had to go Across the Atlantic to save you from your Fellow Europeans..what? Twice? Then we helped create NATO, The UN, which ultimately led to the EU. Many Americans died so that you could be living under your British flag, and not a Nazi one. Both of my Grandfathers fought for your freedom.

Not from my point of view, or the view of any other Brit I chance to say.

Just as long as it stays out of America.

[Violet]

So you think it's ok to go one step further by leaving your house with a knife or gun? This helps how?.

To defend the possessions i carry (and myself, and other people) on the road almost so well as in my house?

Yes knives in a house is common and quite normal. But why leave the house with a knife? What are you going to do? Cut meat up in the meddle of the street?

If the meat is on someone charging at me with a knife: yes, i will be 'cutting up' meat in the middle of the street. It is also common and quite normal for people up here to have knives. Alaska has a fairly high percentage of population in military (At least from my area).

Knives are very good at cutting things open. I've had occasions where I'd like to open a box. Say someone had just been stabbed and I can use the knife to quickly and crudely cut them a bandage. Lots of alaskans hunt and fish: why wouldn't we carry a knife when we are hunting or fishing? I expect you want to pick up a fucking bull moose on your lonesome. As for fishing, there are so many applications I've used a knife for that to list them is kind of stupid (you would not believe how retarded it is to get a loon out of a net without a knife. Never again.).

Corpses with stab wounds often leads to a knife crime. Basic logic really. You can tell crime has gone up because of the increased reports...and bodies.

You can also tell that less people have been robbed because they've stabbed the highwaymen that thought he would rob them.

Why are they armed?

It's alaska. 3 of them are or have been in the army, 1 presented his (very nice) knife to me when I asked how he would defend himself if a gunman entered the building I presume they are armed out of habit or for their own protection.

If criminals are strongly deterred by law and justice and thus making crime unlikely to affect you, why arm yourself?

Because some members of the populace are like me (do not care much that there are laws against a thing).

I'm not trying to dictate unto others of their freedoms. An opinion is all I have given. I believe concealed weapons are wrong. My opinion, not something I'm trying to dictate unto others good sir.

If it makes you feel any better, it's my belief that people should be able to carry non-concealed weapons, the likes of rifles and swords.