If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist

[R-Farmer]

Mexican and or cuban is not a race of people. those are nationalities. you could be the product of a black Mexican and a black cuban and still be 100% black person. I am 1/2 white and 1/2 asian.

So you are Drich...interesting.

Talked with any angels lately?

just my wife.

[The Grand Nudger]

You've already crossed the "alien spaceship" rubicon.  That's pretty much the end for your ark bit as far as I'm concerned.  

ok cool that was an easy way to end the discussion..

Note to self; save spaceship argument to end discussions approaching the ad nauseaium threshold in the future.

You must mean gods godness, again, as there is no such thing as right, in fact, for there to be any righteousness, according to you.  Stop bickering with me.  

but I don't mean God's goodness. you use and think of morality as being a cosmic force that I'm trying to relabel as God's righteousness. When again there is no intrinsic good ness to God's righteousness here. Things are or Are not righteous simply because God identifies them as such. We through our morality then come back behind God and assign a moral value.

Tell me that I've got you all wrong or got you all right, and then at least we can have an honest discussion about whatever it is you really believe.  I think you believe in a purely transactional amoral worldview.

My belief is bible based. So if the Bible speaks in an absolute that is my position. Where things get 'fluid' are where things are not so absolute. Like the ark the tower of babble or maybe creation. I've got several theories for them. which again I'm not saying they are intentionally wrong or mis leading. I'm just of the position that if I am wrong in my theory, it will not effect my beliefs.

Whether your belief is bible based or not means nothing to me.  I wouldn't demand that you hold views based on magic book, and I don't award brownie points for holding views based on magic book.  I'm done talking to you about the ark, I already knew you were bullshitting us, and you don't need to keep confirming it.

I think that you believe in a purely transactional and completely amoral worldview.  I don't care where it came from.  I only want to know if that sounds accurate to you.

[HappySkeptic]

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But because the Bible says boat I'll stick with the boat... but come to find out it was a ship or cave, my belief in god will not change.

You have said that

• You believe what the bible says.
  
• If what the bible says is false, it will not change your belief in God.
  

If so, then why is the bible so important to you that you are willing to believe ridiculous myths to be fact, if it makes no difference to your belief in God?  Wouldn't it make sense to believe what is mostly likely true from the evidence, instead of being a biblical literalist?

Do you believe in God first, and therefore you believe in the bible?  That doesn't follow, since believing in a God doesn't make you believe in other religious or mythical stories.

It sounds like you have made the choice to believe that the bible is the Word of God (and a faithful description of God), and therefore the bible must be true, or else your version of God must be false.

This leads to bad science and bad theology. 

Bad science, because models based on evidence and predictive ability are the best stand-in for "truth" that we have as humans. 

Bad theology, because a compilation of dozens of authors over hundreds of years does not provide a coherent (or particularly moral) view of God.  If God exists, at best the bible is a flawed set of musings about God's nature from a pre-scientific culture.  Limiting God to these set of views is to believe in a very small god, with all the flaws of an ancient people.

[arewethereyet]

So you are Drich...interesting.

Talked with any angels lately?

just my wife.

You know we have to ban you again, right?

[arewethereyet]

Bye Drich. It's been fun, but rules are rules.

[brewer]

How many friends do you think you have made here? there have been a few affirming comments. for a couple different people who I'm sure don't want to be outted.
You started out good

I haven't changed any of what I started with. I have not personally attacked any of you. I have kept my comment strictly topical in that I only address the comments you all make. I only answer your questions and provide explanation if and when you request it.

and then, in short order, went off the rails trying everything under the sun to justify your belief to us and failing miserably.

if this were the case then I suspect you would want me around longer. as I would be easy pickings sort of a whipping boy that you could kick in the gut when ever you wanted to hate on god and feel justified in your beliefs. 70 pages of dialog resulting in personal ad hom attacks against your opponent says otherwise. Which again, does not have to be like this. I honestly think the only reason it is, is the expectation you all put on each other to dominate the christian and either leave them speechless or crying.

I have so many times in this discussion simply stood by my answer ignoring opportunity after opportunity you guys have provided to join you in an ad hom name calling contest. but me turning the other cheek here is not enough. You feel a need to humiliate me, for what? disagreeing with you?
for not rolling over and allowing you to dominate the subject matter with your stock atheist responses? Most of you guys are super smart, and you keep me on my toes. that is why I'm here despite all the personal attacks. because you offer a far superior challenge that the rank in file of reddit.

It should be obvious to you.

yes it is.

You do understand that atheists talk about other things than religion.

Which is why I seek to only occupy this space as to not intrude on your other 'personal spaces' Plus to be honest I do this stuff between phone calls and issues that come up at work. and it is everything I can do to keep up with all of you. I could go anywhere else and keep up. even my reddit postings have dropped.

If you want to believe in god that's fine by me, just don't expect me to agree, especially with the nonsense you post.

I truly don't have any expectation there.

Maybe it works for you and the other christians, if so great. But can't you tell that it's not working for the rest of the forum?

To borrow a line from one of my favorite shows as a kid. "Hunter" 'It works for me.'

You've become what we call a 'chew toy'. A desperate christian that will throw anything that comes to mind against the wall to see if it sticks. Hint, none so far has stuck.

just glad to be apart of the community./We all have roles to play.

If you can produce concrete evidence that there is a god then bring it. So far I haven't seen any, from you or any other christian, jew, muslim, hindu.............

To produce God is to have authority over God. I have no such authority. But I can tell you that God offers direct one on one time with all who seek Him on His terms.

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How can I hate something that does not exist except as a concept in the minds of men? Can I hate Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny (stolen from pagans), aliens? I simply don't believe, which is apparently something you need.

Why did the monothestic god(s) only reveal itself to a very smal part of the world around an area next to the mediterrian sea that was under roman control. If god is so great why didn't god reveal himself on all the people living on earth? Were these other peoples/societies unworthy?

I didn't say produce god, I said provide concrete evidence. That's on you if you want me to believe, along with heaven (the promised golden ticket) and hell (the ultimate punishment). I think you're shooting for the golden ticket and fearing the punishment. Excellent way to manipulate people/societys.

Why didn't your god reveal itself to me while I attended a Lutheran church in my youth? Back then I had no terms, I said the words and sang the songs. An all powerful god should have been able to do that easily. Your god must have failed! Oh wait, I know, your going to turn god(s) failure back to me and say it's my failure, how convenient for you. 

In your mind to all the unbelivers go to hell?

[brewer]

Mexican and or cuban is not a race of people. those are nationalities. you could be the product of a black Mexican and a black cuban and still be 100% black person. I am 1/2 white and 1/2 asian.

So you are Drich...interesting.

Talked with any angels lately?

OMG, I didn't know that assholes could regenerate. Apparently aids couldn't finish it's job.

[emjay]

Bye Drich.  It's been fun, but rules are rules.

Are you sure that was Drich?... he didn't say ASK once (ie ask, seek, knock or whatever), his trademark move.

[Anomalocaris]

Bye Drich.  It's been fun, but rules are rules.

Are you sure that was Drich?... he didn't say ASK once (ie ask, seek, knock or whatever), his trademark move.

there are more than one way to exhibit the characteristically Drichian kind of stupidity.

[emjay]

Are you sure that was Drich?... he didn't say ASK once (ie ask, seek, knock or whatever), his trademark move.

there are more than one way to exhibit the characteristically Drichian kind of stupidity.

Yeah, I get that, but I don't think even Drich argued for eggs on the ark Seriously though, I think he's probably long forgotten about AF.