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Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
#61
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
You might be talking about an effect of post harvest handling and shipping. Tomatos, for example, are not allowed to mature on the vine. They're picked stone green and then treated after the fact to be as red as possible. Additionally, main cultivars are often ones bred for their appearance and amenability to this process, and often enough to the detriment of their taste/content. The combined effect is that you get a piece of food bred for looks and transportability that hasn't quite finished it's life cycle and so hasn't metabolized or converted all of the stuff that we expect to find in it. They're water balloons.

With livestock, I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about. Though I can guess at some little tidbits here and there. Yellow skinned birds contain carotenoids not present in white skinned birds. The chicken that built the poultry industry in the us was a yellow skinned bird - but it takes 24 weeks to reach maturity. The white skinned bird that consumers prefer, the cornish cross, takes 8 weeks to reach twice the size. In cattle, grass fed beef tends to be less fatty...and that can be consequential for our health as well.

Traditional ag or alt ag has a pr problem, largely of it's own making. From a marketing perspective, satisfying luddite impulses and ideation is a winner - but from a production perspective, it's a non starter. It's not so much that producers want to go back to scratching at the earth with sticks and broadcasting nothing but heirloom seed. We can't do that. We'd still be able to grow enough food if we did - but we wouldn't know how to monetize it for the producer. There's a reason that agricultural systems at that end of technology tended to rely on a massive and captive labor force and strong central planning by specifically trained elites. It's not so much that we want to get back to traditional methods as we want to exploit traditional interactions. Those interactions we've replaced with oil. That can be fertility, it can be irrigation, it can be pest control, it can be post harvest process and storage and delivery.

The biggest chunks are going to come out of storage and transport. The best investment for a small mixed farm right now isn't land, and it isn't a tractor. It's a walk in cooler. Followed close behind by a trailerable drip irrigation system. The only way to carve into that chunk is by re-distributing production. All of the tomatos in the us can't come from a couple counties in california, florida and mexico in a world where food miles as a carbon reality are tied to policy or taxation. By default, this would solve the water balloon problem, as the main reason those cultivars are grown and grown in that way boils down to the necessities of long range transport. This is already how local producers compete with conventional ag. By providing a more mature product with a longer shelf life.

Or, at least, this is the methodological advantage. People have to be sold. It's not enough to have a better product, you have to help them understand how consuming your product makes them a better person, or more closely aligns with the person they are. That's where luddite marketing comes in. It's not unique to alt ag. Guys who sell ice cream made in factories with no human employees like to warble about the good old days in the commercial spots.
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‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#64
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#65
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
Quote:Nope.  You'll die, not them.  That's the point of being rich.  Think of them as preppers, but with money, in a disaster they're continually creating.


 
Maui is rather a place for rich people right? This week the capital of a US State is gone.
 
So this means that things are moving pretty fast now. At least some of the CEO’s of Big Oil companies must have understood by now that things won’t be safe for them either.
 
I’ve checked it a minute ago the average normal temperature in my city this time of the year is 74 degree. The usual maximum temperature is 86 degree. This week we have consecutive days of 104-105 degree. The previous 2-3 week were also above average.
 
Tourists in Southern Europe are now considering to go to these locations in winter. Athens Spain, Sicily, has been well above 104 degrees. Sardinia has seen the 122 degrees. The temperature in Rome is also close to 100 degrees. So the rich man in his private jet of yacht is also starting to feel the effects of his actions. The Acropolis in Athens had to close for several days this year. Tourists had to be evacuated to airports from Greek islands. These are not very cheap trips. For many it’s a once in a life-time event. And many of these tourists will probably not return to the Mediterranean in that time of the year again. That’s because things have changed now.
 
So if Elon Musk is thinking to go somewhere with his spaceship or something like that, he might be off the hook. For the rest of them they will come to realize that they are about to become like this rich guy on the Titanic:
 

 
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#66
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
I agree that it's an absurd response, but as a short and mid term strategy, it really is going to work. The rich will offload their trouble property on people who still..somehow...believe they're buying into wealth, and buying in cheap. This can swirl the global drain for longer than you or I are likely to live.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#67
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(August 15, 2023 at 2:23 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I agree that it's an absurd response, but as a short and mid term strategy, it really is going to work.  The rich will offload their trouble property on people who still..somehow...believe they're buying into wealth, and buying in cheap.  This can swirl the global drain for longer than you or I are likely to live.

I agree with you. The more I am reading Greta’s book (or compilation of scientific articles) the more I see that. Big Oil Companies have even scaled their own production methods to the reality of future climate change while paying fake-scientists and politicians to deny the reality of climate change. But current actions / or inaction is moving us quickly toward something around 3 Degrees above temperatures before the industrial revolution. Sometimes people have to see it to believe it. And that’s enormous ego’s we are talking about. Right now they will not be able to spend time with their mistresses on Greek islands or Sardinia either. So they will realize that there is a need to change too.
 
And I am very hopeful of Americans on these issues. The Brits are said to be much educated. If anything has happened in the world recently, they have thought about it, they have already discussed about it, they probably know it. But when it comes to action (Think of Kosovo and Sarajevo in the 90’s for instance), Americans may get it late, but when they get it, they tend to act faster than anyone else (Maybe it’s the legacy of feudalism in the old world, but I think this is true). Smile
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#68
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(August 15, 2023 at 2:20 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:
Quote:Nope.  You'll die, not them.  That's the point of being rich.  Think of them as preppers, but with money, in a disaster they're continually creating.


 
Maui is rather a place for rich people right? This week the capital of a US State is gone.
 
So this means that things are moving pretty fast now. At least some of the CEO’s of Big Oil companies must have understood by now that things won’t be safe for them either.
 
I’ve checked it a minute ago the average normal temperature in my city this time of the year is 74 degree. The usual maximum temperature is 86 degree. This week we have consecutive days of 104-105 degree. The previous 2-3 week were also above average.
 
Tourists in Southern Europe are now considering to go to these locations in winter. Athens Spain, Sicily, has been well above 104 degrees. Sardinia has seen the 122 degrees. The temperature in Rome is also close to 100 degrees. So the rich man in his private jet of yacht is also starting to feel the effects of his actions. The Acropolis in Athens had to close for several days this year. Tourists had to be evacuated to airports from Greek islands. These are not very cheap trips. For many it’s a once in a life-time event. And many of these tourists will probably not return to the Mediterranean in that time of the year again. That’s because things have changed now.
 
So if Elon Musk is thinking to go somewhere with his spaceship or something like that, he might be off the hook. For the rest of them they will come to realize that they are about to become like this rich guy on the Titanic:
 

 

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