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Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
#81
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(September 2, 2023 at 3:36 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(September 1, 2023 at 10:58 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Actually, it is relevant that you could make the same point by using a real private jet without needing to exaggerate matters. It'd be further ironic as that jet is supposedly conceptualized as atomic-powered.

a point can be made with prose or poetry.
I would have preferred simplicity and something that didn't undermine it own point
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#82
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(September 2, 2023 at 4:12 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:
(September 2, 2023 at 3:01 am)Ravenshire Wrote: Political memes and cartoons use exaggeration and hyperbole all the time to make their points. Nit-picking them to death, on the other hand...
Yes but once again a regular plane would have made the same point and it's also hardly nit-picking to point out the meme kind of undermines itself by the nature of the plane.

The idea that many conservatives would travel in that plane is far more germane to the point than whether or not it's actually possible. That they are wasteful, arrogant ass-hats is the true point, and pointed up well by the exaggeration. That you don't like this particular meme, that you would prefer simplicity, has no bearing whatsoever on it's efficacy, except perhaps to you.
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#83
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(September 2, 2023 at 4:14 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:
(September 2, 2023 at 3:36 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: a point can be made with prose or poetry.
I would have preferred simplicity and something that didn't undermine it own point

The point is not undermined.  Rather it is reinforced.

A regular plane has many uses whose economic, social or environmental value outweigh its environmental impacts.     The point of Showing a regular plane is thus somewhat ambiguous. 

The point here is in this case, regular planes are being used in an exhibitionist manner to showboat the passenger’s make belief concern for environment, in a manner that certainly does not have any economic or environmental value to outweigh its true environmental impact.
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#84
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(September 2, 2023 at 11:58 am)Ravenshire Wrote:
(September 2, 2023 at 4:12 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Yes but once again a regular plane would have made the same point and it's also hardly nit-picking to point out the meme kind of undermines itself by the nature of the plane.

The idea that many conservatives would travel in that plane is far more germane to the point than whether or not it's actually possible. That they are wasteful, arrogant ass-hats is the true point, and pointed up well by the exaggeration. That you don't like this particular meme, that you would prefer simplicity, has no bearing whatsoever on it's efficacy, except perhaps to you.
Yes, it does because I already pointed out you could have gotten the message across with a real plane and not undermined it with the sheer ridiculousness of the plane used Also as I pointed out the message is further undermined by the fact the plane isn't supposedly powered by fossil fuels as it's supposed to be atomic powered. So yes it does have some bearing
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#85
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(September 2, 2023 at 12:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(September 2, 2023 at 4:14 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: I would have preferred simplicity and something that didn't undermine it own point

The point is not undermined.  Rather it is reinforced.

A regular plane has many uses whose economic, social or environmental value outweigh its environmental impacts.     The point of Showing a regular plane is thus somewhat ambiguous. 

The point here is in this case, regular planes are being used in an exhibitionist manner to showboat the passenger’s make belief concern for environment, in a manner that certainly does not have any economic or environmental value to outweigh its true environmental impact.
Actually, it is undermined by sheer fact as I already pointed out that it's supposedly not a fossil fuel plane using a regular high-end private jet that does use fossil fuel would have the same impact. Choosing a non-existent plane that's never going to happen as opposed to a real plane that they actually use and is often a wasteful status symbol gets the same message without any of the pitfalls I just listed.
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#86
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
(September 2, 2023 at 4:27 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:
(September 2, 2023 at 11:58 am)Ravenshire Wrote: The idea that many conservatives would travel in that plane is far more germane to the point than whether or not it's actually possible. That they are wasteful, arrogant ass-hats is the true point, and pointed up well by the exaggeration. That you don't like this particular meme, that you would prefer simplicity, has no bearing whatsoever on it's efficacy, except perhaps to you.
Yes, it does because I already pointed out you could have gotten the message across with a real plane and not undermined it with the sheer ridiculousness of the plane used Also as I pointed out the message is further undermined by the fact the plane isn't supposedly powered by fossil fuels as it's supposed to be atomic powered. So yes it does have some bearing

Man, it's a meme. Something that 99.999999% of all people will not examine beyond their first sight and impression. That's it.

But, since you have to prove your opinion right... The last word is all yours.
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#87
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
I stopped reading when Wayne Dyer was cited.
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Don't worry about death;

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#88
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
When people talk about traveling into the past, they worry about changing the future by doing something small, but hardly anyone in the present thinks they can radically change the future by doing something small.
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#89
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
Recycling is probably a good example of why. Beyond general suspicion and into confirmation territory. Many of us recycle. It's a small thing that we can do. It hasn't changed the outcome..and, we've come to learn that it simply can't and won't, at least not as-is. Recycling is a mess. So we know the little thing we're doing isn't going to lead to the big change, and we know that if we wanted to make that little thing impactful we'd have to do the big thing of unilaterally changing the recycling model and the economy....somehow.
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#90
RE: Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0
That probably reflects Pareto's law.
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