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Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
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Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
Veridical NDEs are NDEs (Near Death Experiences) where the Individual Patient who is unconscious or near-death sees clearly actual events we know to be happening in the Physical World. For e.g. he or she sees (while unconscious) Doctors operating on him with an actual instrument they used which he did not know about, but which he later tells them, and is found to be objectively accurate. Sometimes, blind people see the physical world with color and light. Again, it has happened that people have seen God and Heaven, and even younger siblings who died before they were born who they did not even know they had, until they met them in the After-Life, then confirmed with their shocked and surprised Parents actually and objectively existed. Don't these provide, at least, Strong Evidence against the Materialistic/Physicalist views that there is nothing in the universe and the human being other than mere matter? They sound precisely like what Classical Theism has always referred to as the Soul:

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RE: Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
The NDE just shows the person has an active imagination.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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RE: Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
Anyone can say anything when no evidence is required to back it up. When it comes to telling stories, it is easy for people to lie, make honest mistakes about the facts, or to have even hallucinated or dreamed up the entire episode. Consider the countless millions of tales about gods, alien abductions, UFOs, ghosts, Elvis sightings, and so forth, none of which have any strong supporting evidence.

So when it comes to NDEs all those who have them, see only prominent figures who are associated with their religion. Hindus do not report seeing Zeus, Christians do not report meeting Mohammed, and Muslims never seem to encounter Joseph Smith. And no one ever gets greeted by a long-forgotten god from an extinct prehistoric religion.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
Tl;dr
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
Do you ever post your own thoughts? Oh, I that's right, you've never had one.

Take your senseless drivel and choke on it, you clueless buffoon.

Your savior is absolutely fantasized absurdity. When you die, and your dead. The game is over. End of story.

The delusion of the after life is an illusion to ease the minds of fearful, ignorant, arrogant creatures.
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RE: Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
More boring cookie cutter apologist nonsense.....Yawn
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RE: Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
Not interested in a near death experience, I want evidence of a post death experience
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RE: Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?
I had an NDE once. In mid air. As I was jumping out a window. With my pants in my hand. Dude had a Dirty Harry cannon and a completely unrealistic estimate of the situation.



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