France Bans Burqas

[Rayaan]

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The French have an image to uphold, Rayaan.

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Well they should certainly be more careful of rappers then. Good luck, France!


Chuck and KichigaiNeko:

There are millions of Muslim women in both Muslim and non-Muslim countries who walk around without covering their hair. Most of the imams don't say anything to them.

See this: Muslim women say veil is more about expression than oppression

It is estimated that about 10 percent of the female Muslim population nationally wears the hijab, although those numbers may be growing as more people convert to Islam. It's not clear how many women do so among the 10,000 Muslims living in the Pittsburgh region. But nearly all of those interviewed stressed that wearing the veil was a personal decision, a far cry from the coercion experienced by women in Afghanistan.

[Violet]

The french never win their wars because they are too busy 'fapping'? 0.o

Learn something new every day

[KichigaiNeko]

Found this reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

for those of us who are still quite confused as to Veil, Full Face Covering or "Head scarfs"

I insist that wearing a full face Helmet is a safety issue when riding my bike but I STILL have to remove it when I am "in a Public place" making a purchase and also am NOT permitted to wear it when getting my photo taken for my Motorcycle licence. Why should islam be treated any different?

[theVOID]

Who'd of thought the French would have more balls than the Brits?

Oh, so stomping on a persons freedom to dress as they chose is "having balls"?

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Sorry rayaan but 'In the West' the only people who cover their faces in public are criminals and the diseased.

In the west? In the West I want to see people can cover their faces if they fucking well want to, I don't care if they do it for religious reasons or a dislike of sunlight on the face. Saying shit like "Well they look like criminals" is like banning knives because "Murders use them".

You want to be Muslim and continue your "Cultural traditions" go to a muslim country and stay away from the "Western Countries" I am certain that should the situation be reversed I would not be allowed to walk around 'in public' in muslim countries as I do here in my home country.

Because someone in a fundamentalist country would get upset if you walk around in short shorts we should be equally intolerant?

I think France is being very brave or very clever...the garment is 'Banned' in public so should anyone be taunted or persecuted for wearing such a garment over their face where do they stand in a court of law should they wish to whinge or make a legal complaint??

They aren't being either brave or clever, any more than the KKK was brave and clever for lynchin them there niggas!

[Rwandrall]

i don't like restricting freedoms, in any way. But in France a big issue is that immigrants from Muslim nations have a really hard time being assimilated in the population. As such, banning those veils is a way to make them more "conformed" to the rest of the population, which is i think a good thing. The worst possible thing that could happen is Islam taking over Europe, however unlikely that possibility is...i wonder if irrational muslimophobia should be encouraged in order to oppose that influence...i may have an overexaggerated fear of Islam myself though

[KichigaiNeko]

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Who'd of thought the French would have more balls than the Brits?

Oh, so stomping on a persons freedom to dress as they chose is "having balls"?

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Why are so upset??? People are quite happy to "stomp on a Motorcyclists rights" to NOT remove his/ her Helmet when purchasing petrol.

[quote='KichigaiNeko' pid='127276' dateline='1302587839']
Sorry rayaan but 'In the West' the only people who cover their faces in public are criminals and the diseased.

In the west? In the West I want to see people can cover their faces if they fucking well want to, I don't care if they do it for religious reasons or a dislike of sunlight on the face. Saying shit like "Well they look like criminals" is like banning knives because "Murders use them".

Do keep up Vi0D...rayaan is in Turkey hence east and his reference (implied) to western civilisation evoked the comment.

You want to be Muslim and continue your "Cultural traditions" go to a muslim country and stay away from the "Western Countries" I am certain that should the situation be reversed I would not be allowed to walk around 'in public' in muslim countries as I do here in my home country.

Because someone in a fundamentalist country would get upset if you walk around in short shorts we should be equally intolerant?

Yes i think we should ...this is about prestige (see below) it has NOTHING TO DO WITH god OR ANYTHING ELSE!!

[quote='theVOID' pid='127308' dateline='1302599257']I think France is being very brave or very clever...the garment is 'Banned' in public so should anyone be taunted or persecuted for wearing such a garment over their face where do they stand in a court of law should they wish to whinge or make a legal complaint??

They aren't being either brave or clever, any more than the KKK was brave and clever for lynchin them there niggas!

Yes they are VI0D...think of the legal implications....THINK!!

Along with scriptural arguments, Leila Ahmed argues that head covering should not be compulsory in Islam because the veil predates the revelation of the Qur'an. Head-covering was introduced into Arabia long before Muhammad, primarily through Arab contacts with Syria and Iran, where the hijab was a sign of social status. After all, only a woman who need not work in the fields could afford to remain secluded and veiled.

So essentially what we have here is NOT a religious nor cultural nor "demanded by god" custom...it is no different then an Asian woman walking under an umbrella in the sun and NOT wanting to appear as if she is a peasant. What we have here is ego gone crazy and a bunch of non-thinking people lapping it up...islamist who insist that the "veil" is religious or cultural are no better than fllowers of that Marharishi idiot in the 80's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi I is just a HUGE joke and idiot in "the West" like you are lapping it up

Really VI0D...

[Skipper]

This topic really divides my opinion. On one hand I hate burquas and genuinely feel they are a huge barrier to intergeneration into western society, something Muslims already struggle with greatly with their highly incompatible religion but on the other it should not be up to any government to decide what people can and cannot wear. There should be a zero tolerance policy on any man who makes his wife, sister, second wife, mother, third wife etc wear one against their will but if a Muslim woman genuinely feels she wants to wear one, then she should have the complete freedom to do so.

However, they should be forced to remove them whilst in banks, government buildings or anywhere else that the rest of the population would be banned from covering their faces for security reasons, and this should cause no issue from either party. When I used to work in a bank most days I would have to tell a biker to remove their helmets as I was told to make sure nobody entered the bank if their face wasn't visible. On the rarer occasions a Muslim woman entered in a burka it was a more touchy subject to approach but I did try too and more often than not was shouted at by the male Muslim she was with and then pretty much hung out to dry by the bank managers who sided with the Muslim male and made me apologise despite only following what they told me to do.

If you want to wear one fine, but don't get angry when you are asked to remove it in a place where everyone else would be asked to do the same.

[Welsh cake]

Of course, everyone knows that the veil is not a threat to public safety nor is it hurting anyone.

Sure there's no potential for fraud by hiding your identity from the rest of society either.

It is being banned just because it's a symbol of Muslim space and the refusal to assimilate.

I don't buy those lies that they oppress women and isolate them from society either. Fucking Western propaganda.

France is afraid of the growth of Muslim population in the country and they don't like this and that's the only reason that I can see for banning it.

Well the French have this silly notion that immigration without integration is a bad thing, but what do they know right? Protests away!

The Muslim women in France choose to wear it, and they're happy about it, and no one is forcing them to wear it, unlike the women in Afghanistan where they may get shot with an AK-47 by the Taliban if they don't wear it. *shudders*

Clearly the women being forced to wear it in France and those in Afghanistan should never be conflated.

But I also think its unfair they didn't choose to live in another country with annoying secular ethics. How dare the French force them to live and abide by French Law! I'm sure you'll agree. >.>

[fr0d0]

Haven't they banned every outward symbol of religion STROKE foreign culture in the interest of a national identity? Sounds good and very practical to me.

[reverendjeremiah]

Islamic countries refuse to budge on culture, but western countries will budge. This means that the greater the amoun of adherents to Islam rise in western nations, the greater the chance of western freedom being removed for Islamic culture.

I have no problem with the cool Muslims, or the cool christians, but Western civilization is about live and let live. Islamic conservative culture is about forced compitulation. I will not pay the jizya tax (infidel tax), I will not follow Islamic law, and I will openly mock Islam because that is protected by the number one rule of the land. I will even defend their right to openly mock atheism, because I am sternly secularist.

But lets be honest. Are those women wearing burkhas because they WANT to wear them? Maybe some of them are. How many are wearing them because their husband demands it and they fear a backlash in their small, french Islamic community?

Honor rapes and killings STILL do happen outside of Islamic dominated countries by its faithful.

So, can I say that it is reasonable that the French republic outloawed the Burka with this also in mind?

I am against the Burkha ban, and I am against Burkhas..if you can understand that, then you can understand my position on this.