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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 8:38 pm
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(April 19, 2011 at 8:15 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: As to what your original point was? Who knows. Though you are actually making one of my points, you guys totally are a religion. Here you are celebrating new converts just like a Christian evangelical church would. You even have figures and trend lines! Nice! I don't believe in Santa, but I could not tell you nor do I care whether the number of people who agree with me is going up or down because it's not a religion to me.
To turnip the census must be a religion since it is replete with such religious artifacts as trend lines and figures. Presumably to prove one does not follow the false religion of "demography" one should demonstrate complete ignorance of what is going on with the population of the united states.
And if the ranks of the sober were to celebrate the the recovery of a drunk from his addiction, that must appear to turnip to make soberity a religion. Afterall, isn't that just like the insipid celebration of Christian evangelical churches upon a conversion?
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:01 pm
(April 18, 2011 at 10:18 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: It’s not a matter of history, it’s a matter of logic. History can’t tell you someone’s motives, but logic can.
Actually, history can tell you someone's motives. Did Stalin ever mention that he was trying to convert the world to atheism or was he hell bent on control? I think history (and logic) will show you that it was the latter.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Since you atheists love to use the Santa analogy I will play along with that one.
Since you're fucking generalizing and lumping me in with every other atheist on Earth, I am going to ignore your shitty analogy. Oh, and since Christians can claim that their atrocities "in the name of god" had nothing to do with Christianity, your argument only helps mine. Look past your nose, Waldorf.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: My wife and her family moved here from Russia, and her grandparents had neighbors who were drug out in the street and shot by government officials just because they were Christian Orthodox.
Well, I am sorry to hear that, if it is true. However, you cannot claim that Christians have not done the same. In fact, the Greek Philosopher Hypatia was dragged through the streets naked and murdered for being an atheist. Do not act like your religion is innocent of atrocities. It only makes me disregard you that much more.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So don’t pretend for a second that you know what happened over there because you read some revisionist history book.
A revisionist history book? Are you fucking kidding me? You're going to pretend you "know" what happened over there because of hearsay, which is exactly what history books contain? You are going to presume to know what I have read? Don't be a shithead. Think about it. I have a working knowledge of the atrocities that took place in the Soviet Union, though most of my knowledge of that time is regarding Holodomor. Revisionist. Pah. I'm actually a little offended and tempted to call you a strong word right now.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: It’s too bad that Stalin thought he was doing the people a favor by liberating them from Religion huh? You just make up history to make yourself feel better.
Google anything I have mentioned. I assure you that I do not "make up" history.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Yes please do continue, because you still have not named a single atrocity done solely in the name of Christianity.
That's bullshit. Every atrocity I mentioned was done solely in the name of Christianity. Demonstrate how they were not done solely in the name of Christianity. Prove that you know something I do not know, because as far as I know, Puritans thought that people were witches because the Bible and the Malleus Maleficarum (a Christian text) told them so. Werewolves were minions of the devil (a Christian construct). The Crusades . . . oh, they were doing it in the name of Santa, right? Open your eyes. History is filled with Christians being big fucking bullies.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Talk about overused. A Christian’s salvation is attested to by their works and fruit of the spirit. If you think someone disregarding all the teachings of Christ and Scripture is still a Christian then go ahead and be naïve, but definitions matter to me.
Obviously, they do not because you ignore them.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Actually atheism has no moral code written anywhere, that’s the problem.
That is hardly a problem.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So you can’t tell Stalin that what he did was wrong, or that he should have done anything different.
He is dead. Obviously, it is impossible to tell him he was wrong.
(April 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: At least my religion has a moral code.
One that has been ignored by Christians since the advent of Christianity. Thou shalt not kill? Ha! What a farce.
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Dammit Shell. An ass has never been whupped so hard until now. 
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Yeah...if you are going to bother with that turd at all may as well kick his silly god-loving ass but good.
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:47 pm
(April 19, 2011 at 9:36 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Dammit Shell. An ass has never been whupped so hard until now.
My zergplay, common terranplay. Go.
Or did terrans finally start using helions before it is too late now?
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:48 pm
I try, guys. I try.
I can't help but bother. I hate to leave a post unanswered. Part of me wishes I never got involved in the first place. No matter what I say, Statler will continue trying to pawn his own perception of things off as reality.
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Well I am sure you are just pretending not to know that evangelism and the celebration of new converts falls under the “Experiential” dimension of the “7 Dimensions of Religion”. So don’t take it up with me, take it up with the anthropologists who developed the test.
Sorry, history can only tell you what someone said, not what their motives were. You can believe what a documented liar said his motives were, I’ll make logical conclusions based on his beliefs and actions.
Figured you’d ignore my analogy, not much you could respond to its logical validity . A Christian is defined as someone who follows the teaching of Jesus Christ. Killing was not one of those teachings, so someone that says they are a Christian but acts in a manner contrary to Christ’s teachings is not a Christian. I will not let you re-define the English language for the purpose of this discussion. An atheist is not defined by their actions, so an atheist killing millions is still a true atheist if they do not believe in the existence of God or any gods.
Where did Jesus tell Christians to drag atheists through the streets or to kill them? If he did not ever say this then the people who did that were acting in a manner contrary to their religion. Besides, pointing to other bad behavior does not justify bad behavior.
You have working knowledge? I have family who directly observed the atrocities that you claimed never happened. Your ad-hominem attacks are getting pretty old; I hope the moderators buckle down on your lack of civility a bit.
Christians are people who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Where did Jesus say to burn witches, kill werewolves, and kill Muslims? If you cannot provide these things then I suggest you just admit you were wrong. Again, stop re-defining terms like ‘Christian’ just to prove a fallacious point.
I just ignore the ones you have clearly made up. Apparently in your little world just because someone says they are a Christian it automatically makes them one. I can say I am an astronaut, but that does not make me one.
Red herring.
Christians not following the teachings of Christ? I would think that would make them not Christians, but since apparently definitions do not matter to you I guess you would disagree.
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm
(April 19, 2011 at 9:47 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: My zergplay, common terranplay. Go.
Or did terrans finally start using helions before it is too late now?
I am so fucking confused.
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 9:50 pm
(April 19, 2011 at 9:36 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Dammit Shell. An ass has never been whupped so hard until now.
Yeah tell me about it! Hers is pretty easy to whip though, so it was not hard.
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RE: Oh, Thank you, Your Ass-Holiness....
April 19, 2011 at 10:07 pm
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Sorry, history can only tell you what someone said, not what their motives were.
And you can choose to ignore what they said and make up your own motives. That is your prerogative.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You can believe what a documented liar said his motives were, I’ll make logical conclusions based on his beliefs and actions.
How can you make logical conclusions when you apparently cannot follow a conversation? Tell me where I said I based my beliefs regarding Stalin off of things he said. Since you cannot, I can only presume that you enjoy running amok in conversations and dragging what should be a simple linear conversation through the fucking ringer. Listen, A comes after B and B after C. When we are talking about A, try not to pretend I am talking about Z and make every attempt you can to proceed to B and C, so I don't have to spend all of my time with you saying, "I did not say that." It is annoying to read post after post of you using things I did not say for your arguments. I think you know what that is called.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Figured you’d ignore my analogy, not much you could respond to its logical validity.
What validity? You opened with a generalization that did not apply to me. It was instantly illogical, as many over-generalizations are.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: A Christian is defined as someone who follows the teaching of Jesus Christ.
Tell that to those naughty Christians.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Killing was not one of those teachings, so someone that says they are a Christian but acts in a manner contrary to Christ’s teachings is not a Christian.
So, I guess since I do not "worship" Dawkins, I am not an atheist? Try not to step on your own feet here.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I will not let you re-define the English language for the purpose of this discussion.
Apart from the fact that I am not redefining anything, please allow me to clarify something. You have not, will not and cannot "allow" me to do anything. You are not in a position of authority over me.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: An atheist is not defined by their actions, so an atheist killing millions is still a true atheist if they do not believe in the existence of God or any gods.
Would you look at that. Another argument against something I never wrote. Did I say Stalin was a "bad atheist" or an "untrue atheist?' Nope. I did not.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where did Jesus tell Christians to drag atheists through the streets or to kill them? If he did not ever say this then the people who did that were acting in a manner contrary to their religion. Besides, pointing to other bad behavior does not justify bad behavior.
Contrary or not, they were the forefathers of your hate-mongering religion. I did not say it justifies anyone's behavior. I'm not a fan of Stalin, in case you have not noticed. I'm not trying to excuse that prick. I am simply pointing out that you are like a horse with blinders on and you probably always will be.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You have working knowledge? I have family who directly observed the atrocities that you claimed never happened. Your ad-hominem attacks are getting pretty old; I hope the moderators buckle down on your lack of civility a bit.
Point to an ad hom. Do it or I call bullshit. P.S. I am a moderator and I do my absolute best to follow the rules here. Feel free to report my posts if you think I am in the wrong and the other mods will surely have their say about it. I am not exempt from the rules.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Christians are people who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Where did Jesus say to burn witches, kill werewolves, and kill Muslims? If you cannot provide these things then I suggest you just admit you were wrong. Again, stop re-defining terms like ‘Christian’ just to prove a fallacious point.
"Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live." Exodus 22:18 How about you admit that you are wrong?
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Red herring.
Not really. Just a valid point.
(April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Christians not following the teachings of Christ? I would think that would make them not Christians, but since apparently definitions do not matter to you I guess you would disagree.
I simply disagree because I have never met a Christian who followed every teaching of Christ to the letter. By your definition, there are no Christians.
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