Why are you (still) a Christian?

[h4ym4n]

If Adam had no knowledge of what is good and what is bad, how could he have known it was bad to disobey God? And if he was immortal prior to eating the fruit, how could he have possibly comprehended the notion of death? Adam and Eve were punished for something they couldn’t possibly have known was wrong. What a horrible story.

What is knowledge? Something gained through experience, instruction or study. Older translations of Genesis 19:5 say the Sodomites wanted to get to know the men that were angels, newer translations say have sex with. Sex is an intimate knowledge. An experience of intimacy. That's why for a long time people thought the tree represented sex. Which of course it didn't because they were to fill the earth. Neither God nor Adam knew - had an intimate experience - with bad. God still hasn't. Of course good and bad are subjective terms, right?

How could Adam have known it was bad to disobey God? Because God told him. Instruction. Now you are Adam and you can get to know the same thing by study. You see?

Don't argue with me for ideology argue with me for knowledge. That's what I'm doing.

How could Adam know what death was. Animals. They weren't created in the image of God and were mortal.

What is knowledge? Something gained through experience, instruction or study.

But in A&E’s gaining of knowledge was from a poisoned fruit. Because knowledge is deadly. 


So the point of A&E is god wanted robots that worship it

[Data]

What bible has those two words “begin to” Data?

Here and here.

So, I suspect you are either a former Christian who was taught uninspired expressions (spirit; supposedly god breathed) and didn't test them. Just because the Bible says something in a verse doesn't mean anything until you test it. So, at Genesis 2:17, the link I provided you, test it. What do you see? The Hebrew (click on the link there) says surely or positively you will die. That's English translation. In Hebrew it says dying you will surely die. So, if I tell you you will surely die if you keep on driving like a maniac does that mean you will die immediately? So, why do you think it should mean immediately? Because that makes it look silly? No. It makes you look silly but only if no one agrees with you. Atheist dogma, groupthink. Should it be based on theist dogma and groupthink. Y'all decide. Keep on thinkin' brothers and sisters.

Data, did A&E know if dying was a good thing or bad bad before eating the fruit?

Did God? There are several (I think) variables. First, good is subjective. What God or one's parents thinks is good may not likely be what we or children think is good. So, you doubt my suggestion that the good and bad Adam gained knowledge of was to either be decided by A&E, as you put it, or God, correct? Gotta get rid of that religious nonsense.

Data, are Adam and Eve in hell or heaven?

The spiritual Heaven was created for God and spirit beings. Not flesh and blood. The meek will inherit what? Hell is the common grave. God is, in effect, in hell. (Amos 9:1-2; Psalm 139:8; Proverbs 15:11) Adam and Eve are in the grave.

[Bucky Ball]

Every moment Data spends here, is 100 % wasted.
No one here buys the Bible has any "authority".
He has nothing better to do, and needs to pretend he's the "teacher".
He's suffering from Dunning-Krueger.

[Data]

But in A&E’s gaining of knowledge was from a poisoned fruit. Because knowledge is deadly.

What makes you think it was poisoned? If it were poisoned they would have died much sooner. Knowledge isn't deadly. That's not the point. The point is that Adam and Eve were created perfect. That is with great potential and innocent. God's rest was the period of time God gave them to fill and subdue the earth and learn, for themselves, that God, as creator and sovereign Lord, had the right to decide for them what was good and what was bad until they could do that for themselves. It's just parenting.  

So the point of A&E is god wanted robots that worship it

No, the point was God wanted children who could survive, eventually on their own. God wanted us to be as much like him as possible, without being robots. Worship is respect. Earlier I pointed out that the name Israel means to contend, grapple, wrestle with/be preserved by God. That's our objective as children in the environment of sin we've inherited. It's a rough neighborhood, kiddos. Wise up.

[LinuxGal]

The spiritual Heaven was created for God and spirit beings. Not flesh and blood. The meek will inherit what? Hell is the common grave. God is, in effect, in hell. (Amos 9:1-2; Psalm 139:8; Proverbs 15:11) Adam and Eve are in the grave.

Gosh, I wonder why Adam and Eve are in the grave while Abraham gets to be in heaven.

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

[Data]

Every moment Data spends here, is 100 % wasted.
No one here buys the Bible has any "authority".
He has nothing better to do, and needs to pretend he's the "teacher".
He's suffering from Dunning-Krueger.

Isn't he great?! Give him a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen. You have no idea how feverishly he's working behind the scenes to squash his opponents. 

He'll figure it out! Give him time. He's not nearly as bright as he pretends to be, but he'll get it. The gods are on his side, no? You know. 

I'm not the teacher, Mr. Ball, I'm just another student like you. So, until you can get me kicked out of the class with your pansy whining shut the fuck up and let someone else say something, ok? Yeah. 

Another round of applause, ladies and gentlemen, it's important to him. 

Seriously, dumb ass, wait until I answer one of your backwater stump jumping gibber speak rants until you offer another. You know you'll get what you want in time you spineless turd.

[LinuxGal]

1. The messenger who spoke with Daniel said he was getting his ass kicked by the Persians until Michael lent a hand:

So? And . . .

One more like that and we're done.

2. The same messenger made a prediction about Michael:

So? And . . .

We're done.

[Data]

The spiritual Heaven was created for God and spirit beings. Not flesh and blood. The meek will inherit what? Hell is the common grave. God is, in effect, in hell. (Amos 9:1-2; Psalm 139:8; Proverbs 15:11) Adam and Eve are in the grave.

Gosh, I wonder why Adam and Eve are in the grave while Abraham gets to be in heaven.

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Oh, yeah - what I told Bucky goes for you too, missy. Of course it goes for all Bucky clones. 

Now, the point you made was a good one, but, was Abraham really in heaven? Jesus said no one but the one who descended from heaven has ascended to heaven, didn't he? 

Where was David? Heaven? Nope. David was in hell. Jesus? Jesus was in hell. Jonah? He thought he was in hell in the belly of the fish, but that, as it turned out, wasn't his grave. He's in hell now. You see? Just common sense. You don't need a scholar. No concordance. No interlinear. No class. I don't have any class and look at me? Huh? 

Don't change the subject. Respond to this. Agree or not. And why to either.

[Data]

So? And . . .

One more like that and we're done.

So? And . . .

We're done.

It's a literal question. I want you to explain not thump at me. What you're saying doesn't make sense - to me - So? And . . . explain. If you can't explain fuck off, we were done before we started. You're not going to listen to me, so I have to listen to you.

[Bucky Ball]

One more like that and we're done.


We're done.

It's a literal question. I want you to explain not thump at me. What you're saying doesn't make sense - to me - So? And . . . explain. If you can't explain fuck off, we were done before we started. You're not going to listen to me, so I have to listen to you.

Exactly ... look at you. No class, and no classes. 
Such high tragedy. 
The fool of the board says he won't talk to you. 
Is that a promise ? 
Good to know even you think you have the cops to deal with those who agree with you. How pathetic.

The internet is full of these uneducated mentally ill nut-jobs. 
They're a dime a dozen. Self-educated fakes and pretenders.