Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac

[The Valkyrie]

God shouldn't ask people to kill kids, and humans shouldn't say yes when asked yo kill kids or accept moral teachings from such deity-claimants and such humans.

In my opinion, anyway.

Tell that to the voice is my head that claims to be god...

[zebo-the-fat]

The true name of god is Jim!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The true name of god is Jim!

Wrong. God’s name is Harold Wichart. 

Source: ‘Our Father, Wichart in heaven, Harold be thy name.’

Boru

[Aegon]

[Bucky Ball]

[FrustratedFool]

Yeah, those ancient cultures sucked. If only an omnibenebolent being could have intervened and explained decent ethics and the scientific method and basic hygiene and stuff to them.

[LinuxGal]

God shouldn't ask people to kill kids, and humans shouldn't say yes when asked yo kill kids or accept moral teachings from such deity-claimants and such humans.

Shouldn't, but does.

Deuteronomy 21:

[18] If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

[19] Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
[20] And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
[21] And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

[Rev. Rye]

Absolutely. I wonder what the story would be like if we had a defiant and challenging follower of god? Like, he still gets rewarded because the answer was, "That's right. Good job Abraham. If I, yer Lord, ever ask of ye any sick and twisted shite, the correct answer ist NEIN."


It doesn't. And it's not like I'm expecting better of ancient goat herders who had limited understanding of the world let alone a philosophy that wasn't "might makes right". But I am critical of the religious and believers of today who don't have the simple critical thinking necessary to look at one story condemning the barbarian child sacrifice hungry gods of the pagan neighboring nations and then look at this story and realize their god also is very much pro child sacrifice and hungry for innocent blood.

Actually, since Jehovah stopped Abraham, that kinda makes him anti child sacrifice - he substituted a ram for Isaac.

The point of the fable seems to be that the Hebrews were better than the neighbouring pagans because their god doesn’t sacrifice children.

Boru

Well, outside of the whole Jephthah killing his only daughter thing.



This video does do a good once-over of the legend, although it would have been nice if he pointed out the #1 problem with the “Jephthah just let his daughter die a virgin and didn’t kill her” is that this sort of sworn virginity thing was not actually a thing in Judaism. Maybe with the Essenes, but they were A: centuries after Jephthah’s time, and B: all-male.

[HappySkeptic]

Yes, the whole story is disgusting, but you miss one point.

Abraham was fully willing to kill Isaac, but he DID expect God to stop him. It is right there in the text, that he believed God would provide the sacrifice.

So, it was a game of chicken.

[LinuxGal]

It the Tetragrammaton. What’s so odd about it?

Boru

I have only heard the name Jehovah used primarily by Jehovah's Witnesses. I thought you mighta caught that from how I asked about it, but I guess not. ^^;;