Rising crime in the UK

[Sheldon]

For what it’s worth, when it comes to perpetrators, I am aware that, at least in per capita terms, black people (even in Britain) get a higher arrest rate than white people. I suspect that a lot of people (like the OP) would see that and just think “okay, I guess black people are just inherently more criminal.”

But then again, a lot of people (like me) want to look deeper into it and wonder why this is the case. Now, the issues over why crime occurs is an extremely complicated one, but poverty is one of the most obvious factors, and this remains true even in Britain. And it turns out that non-white people are a lot more likely to live in poverty.

I would be curious as to why you would wish to wonder about the reasons in the first place. I suspect that in the case of black people, you don't want to believe that they're more prone to criminality (I'm not saying they are) and so to you, there must surely be some other factor, a factor that would apply to anyone. 

This is simply a suggestion: What if it is simply the case that black people are wired differently and react differently to things? I'm not saying this is the case, however I've seen many videos of a black person being calmly questioned by the police only to suddenly turn aggressive, which I can imagine would cause some people to conclude that they are more troublesome by nature. That may not be true but some may think that after seeing this play out multiple times. 

Is it really so painful to accept the possibility that they're different? I'm not saying they are, I'm just asking you would it be so difficult to accept it, if it was the case.

More lazy racist stereotyping, what's painful is watching you trying to pretend you're not an odious racist. Now do please explain what role you believe melanin plays in criminal tendencies? Don't forget to offer citations, and objective evidence, and not the rhetoric you keep posting "I once saw etc etc" "most people believe etc etc"...that's just vapid rhetoric.

[Nay_Sayer]

I would be curious as to why you would wish to wonder about the reasons in the first place. I suspect that in the case of black people, you don't want to believe that they're more prone to criminality (I'm not saying they are) and so to you, there must surely be some other factor, a factor that would apply to anyone. 

This is simply a suggestion: What if it is simply the case that black people are wired differently and react differently to things? I'm not saying this is the case, however I've seen many videos of a black person being calmly questioned by the police only to suddenly turn aggressive, which I can imagine would cause some people to conclude that they are more troublesome by nature. That may not be true but some may think that after seeing this play out multiple times. 

Is it really so painful to accept the possibility that they're different? I'm not saying they are, I'm just asking you would it be so difficult to accept it, if it was the case.

More lazy racist stereotyping, what's painful is watching you trying to pretend you're not an odious racist. Now do please explain what role you believe melanin plays in criminal tendencies? Don't forget to offer citations, and objective evidence, and not the rhetoric you keep posting "I once saw etc etc" "most people believe etc etc"...that's just vapid rhetoric.

I mean he literally said he doesn't care if you find stats or evidence that contradicts/proves him wrong him, it won't change his opinion.

Why anyone would continue to converse with him is beyond me.

[Sheldon]

More lazy racist stereotyping, what's painful is watching you trying to pretend you're not an odious racist. Now do please explain what role you believe melanin plays in criminal tendencies? Don't forget to offer citations, and objective evidence, and not the rhetoric you keep posting "I once saw etc etc" "most people believe etc etc"...that's just vapid rhetoric.

I mean he literally said he doesn't care if you find stats or evidence that contradicts/proves him wrong him, it won't change his opinion.

Why anyone would continue to converse with him is beyond me.

You're right of course, I just think racist posts ought to be challenged, and the poster called on it, but any reasonable discourse is impossible, since he has made it clear he will simply wave facts and evidence away, in favour of his racist rhetoric. 

The crime rate in the UK isn't rising, in fact it's been in a steady decline for 30 years. There are many reason for, and causes of crime, but skin colour isn't one of them.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Why anyone would continue to converse with him is beyond me.

Long past the time to pinch off his nostrils, metaphorically. This is an instance where mockery, done well, is apropo.

[Rev. Rye]

I mean he literally said he doesn't care if you find stats or evidence that contradicts/proves him wrong him, it won't change his opinion.

Why anyone would continue to converse with him is beyond me.

You're right of course, I just think racist posts ought to be challenged, and the poster called on it, but any reasonable discourse is impossible, since he has made it clear he will simply wave facts and evidence away, in favour of his racist rhetoric. 

The crime rate in the UK isn't rising, in fact it's been in a steady decline for 30 years. There are many reason for, and causes of crime, but skin colour isn't one of them.

Frankly, if his reply to me asking why I'd want to look for any other reason besides race is any indication, he just started with a preferred hypothesis and followed it straight into the abyss. I doubt I'd ever actually change his mind, but as long as other people see the rebuttal, well, that's more people who know the reality. And the jackass we're arguing with loses the right to say we're not actually disputing his point without looking delusional.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I’d be more concerned about rising damp than about rising crime in the UK.

Boru

[Sheldon]

It says the video is unavailable. 

I do believe this was the only true assertion he made on here. 

OH, and crime in the UK has decreased by 90% over the last 30 years. 

"There has been a significant and long-term decline in crime over the last 30 years, encompassing violent crime (which includes domestic violence and violence against women), anti-social behaviour, burglary, and car crimes. There is evidence that, overall, crime has fallen by almost 90%."



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[Jamie Smithie]

I don't know why you people are in denial. I'm not saying they're all like that, but a lot of crime is, unfortunately, done by certain ethnic minorities. It can no longer be said to be a stereotype, it's just true. White flight is real and it happens for that reason. People look around, their eyes tell them what's going on, and they move.

Acid attacks and stabbings were not that common a couple of decades ago.

[Angrboda]

Actually, segregated communities were created by intentional policies implemented by whites. Your theory, while creative, doesn't reflect reality.

[Jamie Smithie]

Actually, segregated communities were created by intentional policies implemented by whites.  Your theory, while creative, doesn't reflect reality.

That's incorrect. People self segregate because humans naturally prefer, for the most part, to be around their own kind. Blacks are very touchy feely with each other and call each other brother because they like each others company more than anyone else's and that's ok. White people like peace and quiet which is why you have white flight. Indians and chinese keep themselves to themselves to the extent that one doesn't even notice they're there.