Shariah: Is it "barbaric"?

[Minimalist]

This was an instance where a cult had illegally obtained weapons and then fiercely resisted when authorities attempted to enforce the law. If they were "imprisoned" (which is a bullshit claim) they were imprisoned by their own doing. And what does "babies coughing up blood" have to do with anything? The mothers could have easily walked out of the compound with their sick babies and received medical attention. The fact that they didn't is because they either chose to remain in the compound or they were forced by their wacko cult leader to stay. Either way, it is their own fault. Could the government have handled this situation better? Maybe so. But you can't compare Waco (a one-time circumstance which was heavily investigated afterwards) with atrocities like "Honor Killings".

Actually, Ru, Waco is an example of what happens when murderous religious cults obtain weapons. Don't pretend that doesn't happen in the Arab world!

[Thor]

But let's not forget why these searches are necessary in the first place.... because MUSLIM TERRORISTS make it so!

Quote of the fucking week good sir!

And it's only Tuesday! Where do I get my certificate?

[Cinjin]

You can't really take any of the devout muslims on this forum seriously when they talk about morally right and wrong ...... I mean common, really?!?

[Rayaan]

[KichigaiNeko]

You really are a good representative of your faith rayaan. Like all the other religions on the planet....there are those who have NOT really read their text, behave badly and then use the "but god told me to do it" get of jail free card. As usual people strive to 'twist the law' to suit themselves, and I have no doubt that the original authors of 'the law' had not envisaged the use it would be put to...as always.."great idea; and THEN you add people and watch it get fucked up."

There have been a number of "pushes" to have 'sharia law' instated here in Aust and Britain mainly by some two bit imam trying to make a name for himself. It is still a primitive custom on par with Hammurabi's code. And should I find myself living in an Islamic dominated country I would respect it and have no illusions that MY non-religious leanings will NOT be tolerated as well as islam is tolerated in my home country.

I just hope that your lady appreciates you.

[Cinjin]

Additionally, Islam highly emphasizes the importance treating one's wife with respect and kindness

sorry Rayaan, there is absolutely nothing you can say that can ever justify the punishments that the followers of Islam divvy out to both their own people and those who hold contrary beliefs.

Type in muslim women into Google Images and you will know the BRUTAL atrocities muslim women are experiencing at the hands of Islam. The stonings. The burnings. The list is long and the pictures are appalling. I will never placate any muslim for any reason as long as your religion continues to practice this barbarism.

[Thor]

The Shariah is social and communal in practice, and the society revolves around the strong base which is the family, and it tries to uphold and strengthen the society with this base in mind.

How does killing your daughter for being a rape victim "strengthen the society"?

Relationships between males and females at the intimate level is only permitted between the husband and wife, the marriage contract is a legal entity in the form of contractual obligations which are upheld and maintained under the Islamic law.

Well, it's an incredibly pathetic contract, isn't it? The husband can simply ditch his wife by saying "I divorce you" three times. The wife can do no such thing. Pretty much a one way street, isn't it?

This means that intimate relations between couples who are not married are illegal and are not acceptable by the law. A marriage may have turned into just a pointless piece of paper in the west, but in many eastern nations, it still is what it's supposed to be - a legal contract - and this means that there will indeed be legal repercussions for not abiding by the terms of the contract. Nobody should enter into a contract while not intending to commit to the terms of the agreement.

And how many Muslim women (or, more accurately, young girls) are forced into a marriage they don't want because their father orders it? And we're talking 13 year old girls being forced to marry 60 year old men. How can you possibly say they "entered into a contract"? They didn't! They were forced!

Yes, men and women do not have equal rights in respect to their married lives (according to shariah),

Glad to see you admit it.

but women are allowed to work, get educated, become teachers, leaders, and do many other things that men are allowed to.

Why aren't they allowed to do everything a man can do?

The main differences between them are in respect to certain relationship matters. In Islam, equality is a religious and spiritual equality which means that when we do good deeds, whether a male or a female, we are both rewarded equally.

You mean both sexes are "rewarded equally" by your fictitious deity after death? Gee... that's helpful.

[reverendjeremiah]

WOW Rayaan. That sure is a huge list of BULLSHIT you posted. Islam sucks rhinoceros dick. I would prefer to live around American christians than mid east Islamics ANY DAY. Islam represents a REAL threat to freedom. To be very honest with you, when the first Bush was in office and the mess happened over in Kuwait and Iraq, I was just graduating from highschool, and I SERIOUSLYconsidered joining the army because of it. I decided to go to college instead. Islam is backwards as hell and I will oppose it at every turn.

Yes it is, and if anyone tries to enforce it on me at any point while I'm alive, I'll either kill them or die in a pile of spent brass and empty magazines.

I bumped up your Reputation for that one.

[ruhollah]

[KichigaiNeko]

Sorry rayaan...for us (the outsiders) your countries ARE living in tyranny. It is why we are rather vehement regarding the Qur'an.

I am thinking that you don't know much about Waco or the threat it posed (and neither do I) so I would really refrain from comment if I were you.