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January 25, 2026 at 2:18 am (This post was last modified: January 25, 2026 at 2:39 am by Jackalope.)
(January 25, 2026 at 2:10 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: These are not principled people, for the most part. They sure didn't stand up for the several black registered gun-owners killed by police for owning guns legally. Oh, no ... mum's the word.
Philandro Castile comes immediately to mind.
ETA: an anecdote: I was steeped in that culture for years. My grandfather, father and my self all NRA life (I rescinded mine decades ago). Scott, a buddy of mine, he was like a brother to me. I've known him for nearly 40 years. He's an NRA gun instructor and gun nut. When I saw him for the last time before the inauguration his biggeat threat to liberty was ten minute cities (the conspiracist version). When I suggested that he might examine the dystopia in front of him, he lowered his head and shook it a couple of times and then he turned and walked away. We simply don't exist within the same factual and moral context. Scott maybe isn't a typical gun owner, but he's real typical of active NRA people like my father before he died. Ph.D patholigist and deeply immersed in the culture. They're fanatics.
(January 25, 2026 at 2:10 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: These are not principled people, for the most part. They sure didn't stand up for the several black registered gun-owners killed by police for owning guns legally. Oh, no ... mum's the word.
Philandro Castile comes immediately to mind.
Amongst others, yep. SrA Fortson, in Florida, too. A serviceman with his gun at order-arms.
(January 25, 2026 at 1:31 am)AFTT47 Wrote: 2. Conservative gun nuts might not side with MAGA when the hated federal government starts flexing its muscle against law-abiding citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment rights - even if they are liberals.
I would not hold your breath on that one. I've known plenty of those guys, as long as they think no one is coming for their guns, they're consummate bootlickers.
In my experience conservatives (though here this term might mean something else I guess) always are. Only "freedom" they want is freedom to spout nazi crap without consequences.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
(January 25, 2026 at 2:59 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:
(January 25, 2026 at 1:41 am)Jackalope Wrote: I would not hold your breath on that one. I've known plenty of those guys, as long as they think no one is coming for their guns, they're consummate bootlickers.
In my experience conservatives (though here this term might mean something else I guess) always are. Only "freedom" they want is freedom to spout nazi crap without consequences.
I expect there's some overlap but i would describe the majority Republican viewpoint to be reactionary rather than conservative. Ours have a more sinister intent than that, I think.
(January 25, 2026 at 2:59 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: In my experience conservatives (though here this term might mean something else I guess) always are. Only "freedom" they want is freedom to spout nazi crap without consequences.
I expect there's some overlap but i would describe the majority Republican viewpoint to be reactionary rather than conservative. Ours have a more sinister intent than that, I think.
To me conservative is label that fascists use when they want to look respectable. Most of the time - it seems to me - right wing clowns want to turn back time and return to what never was except in their fevered imagination and thus reactionary is an apt descriptor for them. As for being sinister I would agree that in US malice is more visible and deeper but Poland with gov suspending right to asylum which in effect suspends constitution as it is guaranteed by it or lack of reproductive rights also ain't making pretty picture. Add admiration that many right wing traitors politicians feel toward trump and it is clear that shit won't be pretty here.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
There's been a little quiet mumbling from the gun lobbies, but none of the outrage that we'd expect if some Good Ol' Boy had died resisting Federales that were coming for his guns.
There's also been talk about the Insurrection Act. Looks like a losing move for Trump. He'll get to deploy the troops to some isolated hotspots, which will do wonders for his ego, but nothing else. The blowback will be just what the Democrats need to ensure a blue wave in the midterms. If he tries to deploy forces more broadly, he'll quickly run out of forces and discover that they're pretty useless against peaceful civil disobedience anyway. Remind me of the last time that troops ended a general strike.
But they were still a key to his rise to power by terrorizing ordinary people and gradually bringing the whole of Germany under the yoke of the NSDAP.
There is two other points I want to make:
1) Minneapolis is 500 miles from the Mexican border so what’s going on there?
2) These guy need a training of 6 months (that’s what they said on CNN) so why is D. Trump releasing them into the streets after 47 days?
Again this is US citizens vs. US citizens and US law enforcement bodies vs. US law enforcement bodies. This alienation of the “opponent” is not a healthy thing. Rural White America is not the enemy of citizen multiethnic more educated America. And border patrols should be at the border preventing uncontrolled migration. They should be terrorizing local population 500 miles from the Mexican border and/or challenging local law-enforcement and political bodies in this or that state.
This reminds me a lot of the January 8th Brasilia Attacks (2023) when Jair Bolsonaro supporters attacked and raided government buildings:
If this is an efficient way of doing politics it’s definitely not an ethical way of doing politics. Politicians (even right-wing conservative politicians) need to have a code of conduct and some sort of work-ethic while performing their roles as politicians.
It’s not OK to simply mess everything up like that. Politicians from the Republican camp need to understand this and stand up against D. Trump.
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