Natural Selection Seems Insufficient

[Jal]

Sounds like yet another you problem to me. You cant find the thing that satisfies all of your domino demands.  So what?  Is a god supposed to be limited by what you find acceptible?

A flat statement of fact to keep us grounded as we discuss your fantasies various and sundry.  

Did yn faults or insist that your faults are god's own.  A real god who does exist made the world exac
This is just deflection coupled with cheap-shot polemics. As there isn't much worth responding to, I'll merely reiterate one point.

A debate can be informative regardless of the debaters' presuppositions, for instance one can play devil's advocate. An obvious example is the mock trials conducted by law-students and even real lawyers. Moreover the Inward Witness doesn't indoctrinate my metaphysics, it just tells me Jesus is Lord, a claim accepted by a number of evolutionists.

Evolutionist isn't a thing.  Your slip is showing.

That's a weird statement.

[Jal]

Sounds like yet another you problem to me. You cant find the thing that satisfies all of your domino demands.  So what?  Is a god supposed to be limited by what you find acceptible?

A flat statement of fact to keep us grounded as we discuss your fantasies various and sundry.  

Did yn faults or insist that your faults are god's own.  A real god who does exist made the world exac
This is just deflection coupled with cheap-shot polemics. As there isn't much worth responding to, I'll merely reiterate one point.

A debate can be informative regardless of the debaters' presuppositions, for instance one can play devil's advocate. An obvious example is the mock trials conducted by law-students and even real lawyers. Moreover the Inward Witness doesn't indoctrinate my metaphysics, it just tells me Jesus is Lord, a claim accepted by a number of evolutionists.

Evolutionist isn't a thing.  Your slip is showing.

May FSM unharden your heart

evolutionist
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHənəst/


An evolutionistis a person who accepts or supports the scientific theory of evolution—the process by which populations of living organisms change and develop over generations through mechanisms like natural selection. [1, 2]

[Jal]

This is just deflection coupled with cheap-shot polemics. As there isn't much worth responding to, I'll merely reiterate one point.

A debate can be informative regardless of the debaters' presuppositions, for instance one can play devil's advocate. An obvious example is the mock trials conducted by law-students and even real lawyers. Moreover the Inward Witness doesn't indoctrinate my metaphysics, it just tells me Jesus is Lord, a claim accepted by a number of evolutionists.

 After all this, so many pages of bullshit.......you say what?  That "a number" of people who aren't as ignorant as you can still accept christ as lord?

Well no shit.

You want to talk about real lawyers?  Well.  Real Lawyers™ acknowledged in a Real Court™ that the shit you believe is not in evidence.  That it's a faith position.  So maybe miss us with all of this "the universe cant do this or that" nonsense....eh?  We have not been having any debate.  You've been saying unnecessary shit that is obviously and demonstrably false...and I've been calling you filth.  That's it, that's all.  Every time you open your mouth you print a new non-beliver.  

Good job.

The shit I believe? Really? Compared to the bullshit swallowed by many atheists over the last 100 years. To many of them I would say the following.

Let me get this straight.  This is your version of the Big Bang.  Even space did not exist at the outset. So I guess matter couldn't have existed at that point. (Or maybe here you want to insert some gibberish about how matter existed before space). And then somehow space comes to exist (and matter) - ex nihilo? But it wasn't ENOUGH space at the first instant, hence space expands - into nothingness?  Curved space isn't sufficiently inane for you guys - you need to exacerbate your insanity with self-expanding space? And all of this happens with no First Mover?

But I'm the one who believes bullshit? Ok. Got it.

[Jal]

 After all this, so many pages of bullshit.......you say what?  That "a number" of people who aren't as ignorant as you can still accept christ as lord?

Feels like almost every sentence from you is a deflection. Again, clearly my point is that being a Christian doesn't obviate debates because, on many issues, it doesn't automatically/dogmatically place you on one fixed side of the debate.

Example. When I first got saved in Christ, a church immediately indoctrinated me into a young earth. After participating in some online DEBATES, I changed my position.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and mores the misery for it...because they conditioned you to believe in some other earth, young or old,..rather than the glorious earth that is..which...if a god created it... a god created it as it is.

You were set up to fail from the start - and this makes me genuinely sad. Believing that the choice was between two false things. Literally incapable of getting it right.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh heck, I guess on second thought one more response is apropos.

So this would be YOUR theodicy, if you had to write one? For example this would be your solution to the Problem of Evil, if you had to defend theism?

- you misunderstand...I wouldn't defend it at all. Only a fool would try to convince others that what they experience to be true were false. Are you a fool? Is your god a fool?

There's no fucking problem of evil except in the minds of god botherers.......god does evil shit - so what? The problem only arises when some nut like yourself feels the need to pretend that evil isn't evil...for reasons™. Like a god couldn't be a god if it did evil. Fuck, I can do evil, and I'm not even a god.

[The Grand Nudger]

The shit I believe? Really? Compared to the bullshit swallowed by many atheists over the last 100 years. To many of them I would say the following.

Yes, really, the shit you believe.

Let me get this straight.  This is your version of the Big Bang.  Even space did not exist at the outset.

Wrong.  Off to a bad start...

So I guess matter couldn't have existed at that point. (Or maybe here you want to insert some gibberish about how matter existed before space). And then somehow space comes to exist (and matter) - ex nihilo?

Wrong again, 0 for 2.....

But it wasn't ENOUGH space at the first instant, hence space expands - into nothingness?  Curved space isn't sufficiently inane for you guys - you need to exacerbate your insanity with self-expanding space? And all of this happens with no First Mover?

sssssttttttrike...you're out.  0 for 3.

But I'm the one who believes bullshit? Ok. Got it.

Yes, you're the one who believes in bullshit.  Not only do you believe in your own bullshit, you believe bullshit about what other people believe.  It's basically a sickness with you and your ilk. Got it now?

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with you people? Most christians are just fine with what science discovers about their (alleged)gods creation...it's just you nuts who see that as a threat, as deleterious to a justifed belief. Why? What's going on with you and people like you? Do you really believe in shit that cant be true...and would you demand that shit which cant be true is true or else a god does not exist....? Are you closer to a believer or closer to me.........

...and am I talking to you right now, or is your silly damned god speaking through me, to you, trying to steer you away from being such a wrongheaded whackadoodle? What...don't believe that's a thing? Fuckin atheist. Queer as a three dollar bill. Wanted to talk to us about some christ bride shit but got side tracked by genetics and proven wrong by a roomba. Sad.

You're a bad witness. Would you like to get better at it...or not?

[Jal]

Wrong again, 0 for 2.....

Um...er...I wasn't talking about you necessarily. I have no idea what you believe about the Big Bang.

I just pointed out what "many atheists" have swallowed. Simple question on google. I asked, "Have many atheists believed that the Big Bang created space?"
Answer:

Yes, many atheists who accept mainstream science agree with the standard cosmological model that space and time began with the Big Bang.
How the Big Bang is ViewedThe Origin of Spacetime: Standard scientific models, outlined in resources like the BBC Bitesize Guide to the Big Bang, describe the universe expanding outward from a tiny, dense point, marking the start of space and time.

Accepting the Model: Many atheists accept this scientific consensus, meaning they view space as starting at the expansion rather than being placed inside a pre-existing space.

sssssttttttrike...you're out.  0 for 3.

You really need to stoop to bald faced lies to save face here?

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with you people?  Most christians are just fine with what science discovers about their (alleged)gods creation...it's just you nuts who see that as a threat, as deleterious to a justifed belief.  Why?  What's going on with you and people like you?

At this point in the debate, you honestly still believe I feel threatened by a scientific community gullible enough to accept a domino universe? Please. Are you trying to make me laugh?

You're a bad witness.  Would you like to get better at it...or not?

Seems the third time you've used that term ignoramus-ly. Strrrikee......3....you're out!!!!!

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, Jal. By the 100 or so pages you've already spent arguing to the contrary...it does seem like your theodicy is threatening by the world as it is, and that you know that it is.........


............?

You're a bad witness. Does that matter to you or not?

[Jal]

Yes, Jal.  By the 100 or so pages you've already spent arguing to the contrary...it does seem like your theodicy is threatening by the world as it is, and that you know that it is.........

All those pages of you responding were indicative of feeling threatened by an alternative world view.

See? Two can play your stupid game.

............?

You're a bad witness.  Does that matter to you or not?

Will you never outgrow that stupid oxymoron?