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I Had a Dream
#21
RE: I Had a Dream
ok. So we have now determined that reality exists one way or the other.

But how do you know that god had purposed your senses?
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#22
RE: I Had a Dream
(May 1, 2011 at 1:43 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: ok. So we have now determined that reality exists one way or the other.

But how do you know that god had purposed your senses?
It is part of my general Christian theistic view of the relationship between the world and human beings, as well as being a presupposition which is required to bring coherence to the inferences that we naturally make from our experiences.
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#23
RE: I Had a Dream
(May 1, 2011 at 8:43 am)Matthaios Wrote: Bit confused here...the whole thread is about whether experience and testimony really prove anything - that is the question being discussed. On my view, there is an external reality which we can know by experience and (to a lesser extent) testimony. But I accept that because of God, who has created us with a purpose to loving (and therefore, knowing) realities other than ourselves - the world, other people, and God Himself. I am asking the skeptical question because I want to know on your various views of the world how you justify belief in an external reality.

Plausibility. If the side of one argument becomes more sophistry than logical discourse and the other side of that argument is unprovable and yet grounded in a known reality - many (dare I say most) who realize that their choice may yet be in error would still rather error on the side of plausibility.

.... but that's just my humble two cents.



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#24
RE: I Had a Dream
(May 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm)Matthaios Wrote:
(May 1, 2011 at 1:43 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: ok. So we have now determined that reality exists one way or the other.

But how do you know that god had purposed your senses?
It is part of my general Christian theistic view of the relationship between the world and human beings, as well as being a presupposition which is required to bring coherence to the inferences that we naturally make from our experiences.

Can you test your theistic view in reality.
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#25
RE: I Had a Dream
(May 2, 2011 at 3:01 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: Can you test your theistic view in reality.
What kind of "test" do you have in mind? Is it possible to "test" metaphysical naturalism, or any other non-theistic view?
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#26
RE: I Had a Dream
Yes, as the natural World consists of "mechanical properties amenable to mathematical modeling", which are testable.

Matt Wrote:What kind of "test" do you have in mind?

Its not upto me to answer the question for you. Its upto you to provide evidence.

How can you possibley test something that is non-material & be certain that the answer will be correct.
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