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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 14, 2011 at 10:12 am
So he believes that science is "false doctrine?" First of all, from what I understand science is not a "doctrine." In fact, the idea of having a doctrine is anathema to science, which allows theories to change if new evidence is presented. Religious doctrine usually does not change, or only reluctantly changes only long after science has shown that doctrine to be false.
Christians are always so hypocritical when it comes to belief. They accept their beliefs unquestioningly, but if you were to present to them a different religion, they wouldn't believe in it without proof. Or, they believe that God talks to people, but when God tells a mother to drown her children they think that she's insane. Because "God would never tell someone to do that." I thought the mind of God was unknowable, so how can you know for sure he wouldn't?
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm
(May 14, 2011 at 10:12 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: So he believes that science is "false doctrine?" First of all, from what I understand science is not a "doctrine." In fact, the idea of having a doctrine is anathema to science, which allows theories to change if new evidence is presented. Religious doctrine usually does not change, or only reluctantly changes only long after science has shown that doctrine to be false.
Christians are always so hypocritical when it comes to belief. They accept their beliefs unquestioningly, but if you were to present to them a different religion, they wouldn't believe in it without proof. Or, they believe that God talks to people, but when God tells a mother to drown her children they think that she's insane. Because "God would never tell someone to do that." I thought the mind of God was unknowable, so how can you know for sure he wouldn't?
again with the logic.
you cannot battle ignorance w/ logic. i am not sure what to battle it with.. i mostly try to use hypothetical situations to get the person to see the error in their judgment.. but that does not seem to work either.
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm
well, you sure made your landlord sound stupid.
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 14, 2011 at 7:25 pm
(May 14, 2011 at 10:12 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Christians are always so hypocritical when it comes to belief. They accept their beliefs unquestioningly, but if you were to present to them a different religion, they wouldn't believe in it without proof.
They will complain that there is insufficent evidence for evolution, yet accept god without any evidence whatsoever.
Quote: Or, they believe that God talks to people, but when God tells a mother to drown her children they think that she's insane. Because "God would never tell someone to do that." I thought the mind of God was unknowable, so how can you know for sure he wouldn't?
Since the bible is full of stories where god commands his followers to sacrifice their own children and slaughter anyone he didn't like(which appeared to be just about everyone).
They obviously don't know their god all that well.
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 14, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Why not cut to the chase and just put to him that on the basis of probability " god " does not exist?
 A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 14, 2011 at 8:26 pm
(May 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm)darkblight Wrote: you cannot battle ignorance w/ logic. i am not sure what to battle it with.. i mostly try to use hypothetical situations to get the person to see the error in their judgment.. but that does not seem to work either.
Then I'd just ask him if he believes in any other religions, and when he says no, ask "why not?" Then explain to him that the reasons he doesn't believe in those religions are the same reasons you don't believe in his.
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 14, 2011 at 8:47 pm
(May 14, 2011 at 8:26 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (May 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm)darkblight Wrote: you cannot battle ignorance w/ logic. i am not sure what to battle it with.. i mostly try to use hypothetical situations to get the person to see the error in their judgment.. but that does not seem to work either.
Then I'd just ask him if he believes in any other religions, and when he says no, ask "why not?" Then explain to him that the reasons he doesn't believe in those religions are the same reasons you don't believe in his.
been there done that
he goes like this:
my religion is the truth, all the others are not truth, the bible is the absolute word of god, for it is the only book that explains the origins of words
then he goes into this whole 30 minute explanation on the "origin" of words, saying only the bible explains where "words" come from.. he then asks like.. what was the FIRST word man made, and ill say something liike: prob a shriek of pain that other primates knew was a shriek of pain
and he goes.. NO the first word is the first word of the bible and thats why it is true.
ad nasueum.
and to the other person im not trying to make the dude sound dumb, i recalled the conversation from my mind as best as i could... and i feel i was 85% accurate in the wording.
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 15, 2011 at 4:03 am
I would just tell him that he's never going to convince you of his religion just the same as you are never going to convince him that his religion is false. Then tell him you have to agree to disagree and keep it all to yourselves. If he comes back and proseltyzes some more, kick him in the nuts, and say that there's a swift kick coming every time he mentions god.
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 15, 2011 at 7:51 am
(May 14, 2011 at 7:26 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: My current landlady is a fundy. Our inevitable showdown should be interesting. I know she can't rent this place out in the current economy, but she's a control freak (she insists that her renters vacuum under the dryer every month).
Put the damn thing on wooden blocks or stilts or something and slide a cardboard piece there. Whenever she comes around, just remove it. Or leave it.
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RE: conversation w/ my ultra theist landlord
May 15, 2011 at 8:12 pm
(May 14, 2011 at 8:47 pm)darkblight Wrote: (May 14, 2011 at 8:26 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (May 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm)darkblight Wrote: you cannot battle ignorance w/ logic. i am not sure what to battle it with.. i mostly try to use hypothetical situations to get the person to see the error in their judgment.. but that does not seem to work either.
Then I'd just ask him if he believes in any other religions, and when he says no, ask "why not?" Then explain to him that the reasons he doesn't believe in those religions are the same reasons you don't believe in his.
been there done that
he goes like this:
my religion is the truth, all the others are not truth, the bible is the absolute word of god, for it is the only book that explains the origins of words
then he goes into this whole 30 minute explanation on the "origin" of words, saying only the bible explains where "words" come from.. he then asks like.. what was the FIRST word man made, and ill say something liike: prob a shriek of pain that other primates knew was a shriek of pain
and he goes.. NO the first word is the first word of the bible and thats why it is true.
ad nasueum.
and to the other person im not trying to make the dude sound dumb, i recalled the conversation from my mind as best as i could... and i feel i was 85% accurate in the wording.
Tell him the ten commandments were ripped off a Egyptian book of the dead, and that "god" used to have a wife god
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