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Campfire Chat About Hell
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Campfire Chat About Hell
Sitting at a campfire this Memorial Day Weekend, I got caught up in the following conversation:


Woman: I'm a Christian and I believe what I believe, and I don't care what anybody else believes.

Cinjin: That's cool. I do truly appreciate that sentiment. Be religious if you want - but allow others the same privilege. (offered a salute with my beer)

Woman's Husband: She wishes we'd go back to church, but I just think it's a waste of time.

Woman: Well, I think it would be a good idea. (She chuckles) Whatever, I guess I'll be the only one in this relationship going to Heaven.

**awkward pause with nervous laughter from all around**

Cinjin: So wait? You really do believe your husband's going to Hell?

Woman: Well ... yeah. He believes that if you're good to people you go to Heaven - and I think that's just not right.

Thinking


Since I wanted to keep the atmosphere pleasant I didn't tell them that I think they're both painfully misguided and that the idea of Heaven and Hell is as stupid as Santa's Workshop at the North Pole and Captain Hook's Never-Never Land.

The conversation continued for a bit, but I wonder ... What would your response be to that woman's last remark if you were married to her?
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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
Woman: Well ... yeah. He believes that if you're good to people you go to Heaven - and I think that's just not right.

This I think encapsulates the problem with religion, it's never enough to just be a good person.
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Einstein

When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life.

- John Lennon
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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
My response: And she loves every minute of what I do that will send me to Hell Heart *squeeze her*
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
(May 30, 2011 at 9:42 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: Woman: Well ... yeah. He believes that if you're good to people you go to Heaven - and I think that's just not right.

This I think encapsulates the problem with religion, it's never enough to just be a good person.



Most of them manage to avoid being good people. Religion sees to that.
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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
To answer your question, I would probably have said something like, "As long as you're going to heaven, I don't mind going to hell." or "At least you won't be there." However, it is safe to say that I make a bitter hypothetical spouse.
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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
This woman's husband was clearly surprised by the revelation. I can't pretend to know how he truly felt, but he was clearly surprised.


Funny how often I hear a christian follow up the words, "I don't care what other people believe" with, "he's going to hell."

yeah, you're a good source of reliable non-biased information.
(May 30, 2011 at 9:42 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: Woman: Well ... yeah. He believes that if you're good to people you go to Heaven - and I think that's just not right.

This I think encapsulates the problem with religion, it's never enough to just be a good person.

Truly.

Even Catholics believe that after you die your loved ones have to "pray your soul into Heaven". How fucked up is that ... you better hope you have friends and/or family when you die, otherwise you may not even get in the front door!
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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
I probably would have responded as an outsider to the relationship.
"But certainly being good is necessary to get in there right? Could it be you just haven't helped him see the further steps necessary for salvation"

But my input probably wasn't what you were looking for.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
(May 30, 2011 at 11:09 pm)tackattack Wrote: I probably would have responded as an outsider to the relationship.
"But certainly being good is necessary to get in there right? Could it be you just haven't helped him see the further steps necessary for salvation"

But my input probably wasn't what you were looking for.

I disagree with your input ... that doesn't mean I wasn't looking for it. Your two cents are as welcome as anyone else's.

Of course if someone had actually responded with that answer it would've probably led to an eventual verbal throw-down since the crowd was of very mixed religious backgrounds. (Atheists to Lutherans to even one Buddhist and a Taoist)

My knee-jerk reaction would of course been, "salvation from what?" ... and of course it would've blown up from there.

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RE: Campfire Chat About Hell
I wouldn't have married the idiot in the first place Big Grin
But for a witty comeback: "Oh honey, for being such a stuck-up, mean and ignorant person, I guess we will be together for all eternity, both in Hell!"
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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Myabe he's already in hell?
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