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Where do emotions such as Love from
#31
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 6, 2011 at 10:52 pm)SpatiumTempusque Wrote: Hormones and chemical reactions, nothing fancy.

Must work well for robots

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#32
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 4, 2011 at 9:02 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Where does emotions such as love come from?

Well this really - [Image: Chemical_basis_of_love.png]

All emotions are chemical based.Big Grin
Does this include all Animals and all Life too?

What motivation makes a kitten twirl and roll joyfully on a beautiful sunny day or what makes the petals of a flower bloom to the warmth of the tranquil sunlight?
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#33
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 10:47 am)Lord Illicious Wrote:


Does this include all Animals and all Life too?

What motivation makes a kitten twirl and roll joyfully on a beautiful sunny day or what makes the petals of a flower bloom to the warmth of the tranquil sunlight?

Kittens play in order to get decent skills to become hunters. Petals open on sunny days in order for the insects to smell and see them better, so that they can breed. Basic biology, really.. Tongue

When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#34
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 10:56 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Kittens play in order to get decent skills to become hunters. Petals open on sunny days in order for the insects to smell and see them better, so that they can breed. Basic biology, really.. Tongue

So you are saying that Animals and all other Life do not have this emotion of Love?
Would a kitten "play" without feeling happy which is an expression of love?
Petal don't open to receive the comfort of sunlight or rather open up for insects only when it is sunny?

What motivation would anything have to live by without this feeling of Love?
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#35
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 10:47 am)Lord Illicious Wrote: Does this include all Animals and all Life too?

What motivation makes a kitten twirl and roll joyfully on a beautiful sunny day or what makes the petals of a flower bloom to the warmth of the tranquil sunlight?

Quote:Does this include all Animals and all Life too?
Pretty much, not so much with plants. They function differently.

Quote:What motivation makes a kitten twirl and roll joyfully on a beautiful sunny day
Chemical reactions.
(June 17, 2011 at 11:11 am)Lord Illicious Wrote: What motivation would anything have to live by without this feeling of Love?

To survive and reproduce. Animals don't lust for some greater purpose or meaning like we do. Not everything requires a meaning to exist.

Quote:Petal don't open to receive the comfort of sunlight or rather open up for insects only when it is sunny?
Petals don't experience comfort. Comfort, love an all that has no meaning to it. It exists and reproduce, that's it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#36
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 10:47 am)Lord Illicious Wrote: Does this include all Animals and all Life too?

What motivation makes a kitten twirl and roll joyfully on a beautiful sunny day or what makes the petals of a flower bloom to the warmth of the tranquil sunlight?

See here..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_fr...magination
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#37
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 11:13 am)Ace Otana Wrote:
(June 17, 2011 at 10:47 am)Lord Illicious Wrote: What motivation makes a kitten twirl and roll joyfully on a beautiful sunny day
Chemical reactions.

So you don't find it in the least bit strange that these chemicals even exist?
Isn't it weird that these assisting chemicals mimic unreasonable behavior perfectly?

Would you call the love for your child a mere chemical reaction?

Here is a chemical reaction:
Migrating elephants combing the land for water and food.
The baby elephant collapses of exhaustion and the mother is devastated.
The mother is in tears and stays behind with her baby to die with him.

Here is another example of mere chemicals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk

So life is nothing more than a chemical which mimics care for another which in turn celebrates life?
Hmm. Chemical reactions that celebrates life with care but is false by it not being real love.

Do you need eyes to see or do they assist you?
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#38
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
Quote:So you don't find it in the least bit strange that these chemicals even exist?
Nope. We wouldn't function without them. We are just chemicals and atoms mate. Nothing more.
If we didn't function on chemicals, then we wouldn't be affected by drugs.
Quote:Would you call the love for your child a mere chemical reaction?
Pretty much. Without chemical reactions, I'd feel nothing.
Quote:Chemical reactions that celebrates life with care but is false by it not being real love.
No, love is real, it's just chemical based. Why do you have such a problem with that? You desire to be special or something? You're just a collection of chemicals and atoms. Get over it.

If there were no chemical reactions, you'd be dead.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#39
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 11:11 am)Lord Illicious Wrote: So you are saying that Animals and all other Life do not have this emotion of Love?
Would a kitten "play" without feeling happy which is an expression of love?
Petal don't open to receive the comfort of sunlight or rather open up for insects only when it is sunny?

What motivation would anything have to live by without this feeling of Love?

So you don't find it in the least bit strange that these chemicals even exist?
Isn't it weird that these assisting chemicals mimic unreasonable behavior perfectly?

Would you call the love for your child a mere chemical reaction?

Here is a chemical reaction:
Migrating elephants combing the land for water and food.
The baby elephant collapses of exhaustion and the mother is devastated.
The mother is in tears and stays behind with her baby to die with him.




So life is nothing more than a chemical which mimics care for another which in turn celebrates life?
Hmm. Chemical reactions that celebrates life with care but is false by it not being real love.

Do you need eyes to see or do they assist you?

Oh dear, you are a silly one!

Read my first post on this thread, and the mystery of animal love will be clarified for you.

It isn't exactly play, when it comes to the kitten. It is honing skills that are absolutely vital for their survival later in their life.

Flowers are merely the reproductive organ of plants, it would be just as comforting for a man to expose his cock to the sun as it is for flowers to do so.

These chemicals do not mimic the feeling, they are the reason we feel. And yes, I call the love for a child chemical, but it doesn't make the feeling any less real. Again, read my first post and hopefully you'll be a bit enlighted.

And by the way, elephants do try and get their dying to walk with them, and almost all mothers grieve dead offspring, but they do not stay behind and die with their young..
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#40
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
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(June 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:
Quote:So you don't find it in the least bit strange that these chemicals even exist?
Nope. We wouldn't function without them. We are just chemicals and atoms mate. Nothing more.

Chemicals and atoms indeed but functioning with a relative for what purpose?

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Quote:Would you call the love for your child a mere chemical reaction?
Pretty much. Without chemical reactions, I'd feel nothing.
In the absence of a chemical reaction your child will mean nothing?
So you are saying you are nothing more than some sort of bio mechanical being mainly governed by a chemical reaction in the body?
Is this really being alive or programmed?

Quote:Chemical reactions that celebrates life with care but is false by it not being real love.
No, love is real, it's just chemical based. Why do you have such a problem with that? You desire to be special or something? You're just a collection of chemicals and atoms. Get over it.
Hmm. Love is real but chemical based...
Now we might be getting somewhere here.

There are 2 polarities in life that are obvious which are Love and Fear based polarities. It exists in all life even in that which one would say isn't alive like a rock.
These chemical reactions we have assist us in life to feel these polarities.

Close your eyes and hug someone you love and you will feel this energy. Feel that person you love from a distance because it is an energy.
Of these chemical reactions, do you doubt ever feeling it without a thought?
Feeling it exactly from a person with a meaningful event from a distance?
Would a mere chemical reaction connect this accurately or enhance it?

Seems like Love is nothing more than an illusion somehow being mimicked by chemicals and atoms with no meaning which makes no sense.
Here is an nice illusion:
Yes we are a collection of chemicals and atoms which is all energy which is mostly empty space.
Just about 99% empty space and the rest is energy spaced out. Are we an illusion (including chemicals and atoms) as some think Love is also?

Im not really here to debate (im sorry if it seems that way) but just want to seek/share the truth.


Quote:Oh dear, you are a silly one!

Read my first post on this thread, and the mystery of animal love will be clarified for you.

It isn't exactly play, when it comes to the kitten. It is honing skills that are absolutely vital for their survival later in their life.

Flowers are merely the reproductive organ of plants, it would be just as comforting for a man to expose his cock to the sun as it is for flowers to do so.

These chemicals do not mimic the feeling, they are the reason we feel. And yes, I call the love for a child chemical, but it doesn't make the feeling any less real. Again, read my first post and hopefully you'll be a bit enlighted.

And by the way, elephants do try and get their dying to walk with them, and almost all mothers grieve dead offspring, but they do not stay behind and die with their young..

Animal love or copulation isn't a mystery, it is what ever it is.

I simply use a kitten as an example to show they also have love emotions.
A little girl swinging on a swings set with a big happy smile is an expression and event of Love.

Nice example there about flowers and a cock in the sun.
Is this planet Earth?

So ill assume you never heard of a mother staying with her young to die for the love she has for him/her.
Maybe not in the Animal kingdom but maybe Humans ill assume you have.
By the way, the story of the mother elephant dying with her young was a true documented event.
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