Muslim Child Abuse

[Rayaan]

I thought Islamic law was good in ALL times. If that's the case then they should've put something in there about women. DERP.

Here's one of them:

"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for truthful men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise - for them has God prepared forgiveness and the greatest reward" (Surah 33:35).

There is a lot more:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.ph...tion=Women

[Darwinian]

I thought Islamic law was good in ALL times. If that's the case then they should've put something in there about women. DERP.

Here's one of them:

"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for truthful men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise - for them has God prepared forgiveness and the greatest reward" (Surah 33:35).

There is a lot more:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.ph...tion=Women

What about men and women who fulfil all these qualities except they are not muslim. Do they get any great rewards? After all, they are just as lovely as the muslims.

[Epimethean]

No. It is brand name identity, like all monotheistic religions.

[Judas BentHer]

[quote='Minimalist' pid='151845' dateline='1309895104']
That's the story, anyway. Unfortunately....

[quote]It is admitted on all sides, however, that Constantine's vision
of the cross is probably not historically true. The only
authority from whom the story has been gathered by historians is
Eusebius, who confessedly was prone to edification and was
accused as a "falsifier of history."[/quote] And yet, that too is a story. While in other circles Eusebius is held credible as a true and honorable recorder of the histories. Much like the Jewish historian Josephus. Who many Christians to this day believe gave account of Jesus as a true historical figure. When really all Josephus "recording" of Jesus was interpolation. Lies inserted into his writings by Christians, who thought the credibility of Josephus as an honorable historian would carry forth their account of their fictional Christ, unimpeeded.

Not to forget also that Constantine was a writer, creating many records in Greek. So what of his own words about the event of the vision of the cross? I think it was politically expedient on his part to claim as much, especially with the Greek message that it bore. "in hoc signo vinces" ('in this sign you will conquer') . In any case, it's suspect that while he allegedly claimed he'd convert to Christianity after the victory at Milvian bridge that he was actually one who remained Pagan until he was converted to Christianity, some say against his will, on his death bed.

[quote]Xtians controlled the books. Another most likely made up story is that of the fucking pope turning back Attila the Hun from Rome in 452. Rome in 452 was no longer the capital of even the Western Empire ( it had been moved to Ravenna in northern Italy decades earlier) and moreover Rome had been thoroughly sacked by the Goths in 410 and must not have looked like a very inviting prize. But these are xtians and not above lying after all.
[/quote]

True enough. And yet, not relevant during the time of Julian nor Constantine.

[Napoléon]

Here's one of them:

"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for truthful men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise - for them has God prepared forgiveness and the greatest reward" (Surah 33:35).

There is a lot more:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.ph...tion=Women

You missed the point entirely.

[Faith No More]

What about men and women who fulfil all these qualities except they are not muslim. Do they get any great rewards? After all, they are just as lovely as the muslims.

No, because religions are more like clubs than any means to a spiritual goal.

[Rayaan]

What about men and women who fulfil all these qualities except they are not muslim. Do they get any great rewards? After all, they are just as lovely as the muslims.

They will get rewards as well if they believe in one God, Resurrection, Judgement Day, and revelations given to all the Prophets, as the Quran says, “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good, they have their reward with their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62). As for atheist (kaffirs), they will not be rewarded for their good actions because they do it only for worldly benefits and/or because of their own moral reasons, as it says, "Those who disbelieve and turn away (others) from the path of Allah, He will render their deeds fruitless" (47:1).

You missed the point entirely.

Sorry, but feel free to clarify what was your point. I thought you were asking me if there are any pro-women verses in the Quran. That's why I provided them with a link.

[DaveD]

What about men and women who fulfil all these qualities except they are not muslim. Do they get any great rewards? After all, they are just as lovely as the muslims.

They will get rewards as well if they believe in one God, Resurrection, Judgement Day, and revelations given to all the Prophets, as the Quran says, “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good, they have their reward with their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62). As for atheist (kaffirs), they will not be rewarded for their good actions because they do it only for worldly benefits and/or because of their own moral reasons, as it says, "Those who disbelieve and turn away (others) from the path of Allah, He will render their deeds fruitless" (47:1).

So a murdering, raping, pillaging bastard who believes in a god, and the rest of the bollocks you mentioned, is more worthy of reward than an atheist who works tirelessly for the benefit of others?
Or is this some sort of religious street slang, like "sick" meaning good?

[Rayaan]

So a murdering, raping, pillaging bastard who believes in a god, and the rest of the bollocks you mentioned, is more worthy of reward than an atheist who works tirelessly for the benefit of others?
Or is this some sort of religious street slang, like "sick" meaning good?

No, the murdering, raping, pillaging bastard who believes in a God will not rewarded either because he is a grave sinner. His actions are not in alignment with Islam.

[The Grand Nudger]

See, here's where Islam may have not done itself any favors allowing "people of the book" to opt in on heaven with them. A murdering, pillaging....blah blah blah, can still become a very devout christian and be forgiven. So, Rayaan...he kind of does get to go, as long as he gets right with jesus before he kicks it.