A question about original sin.

[Epimethean]

Only if they are young and male so they cannot procreate ... waitaminit ....

[Kayenneh]

The question about original sin puzzled me exceedingly as a child. I loved to learn (still do), but I could never understand why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat the fruit of knowledge. Knowledge, that made you understand things, made you wiser, and this was to be forbidden? The god that asks it's followers to be ignorant is truly an asshole, knowledge will never be seen as sin by me.

[Minimalist]

Knowledge, that made you understand things, made you wiser, and this was to be forbidden?

Dangerous for the priests who wrote it.

[Godscreated]

The question about original sin puzzled me exceedingly as a child. I loved to learn (still do), but I could never understand why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat the fruit of knowledge. Knowledge, that made you understand things, made you wiser, and this was to be forbidden? The god that asks it's followers to be ignorant is truly an asshole, knowledge will never be seen as sin by me.

Who ever taught you about original sin and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil should be ashamed of what they taught and I hope they are not teaching such anymore. God did not create people ignorant nor does He want people to be ignorant of the truth, God did however want everyone to be innocent but Adam and Eve sure messed that up.

[Kayenneh]

Who ever taught you about original sin and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil should be ashamed of what they taught and I hope they are not teaching such anymore. God did not create people ignorant nor does He want people to be ignorant of the truth, God did however want everyone to be innocent but Adam and Eve sure messed that up.

Anyone who teaches anything in the bible as truth should be ashamed.
And sure, god did not create anything, but still, the most ignorant people seem to follow said character.

[Faith No More]

...God did however want everyone to be innocent but Adam and Eve sure messed that up.

Don't you think it's time God let go of this grudge he's been holding against the human race because of what one person did so long ago? Your God is incomprehensible, not because he is so complex, but because his behavior is illogical. To think that a God giving someone eternal torture because of the original man's actions makes sense goes beyond mere delusion and enters into the realm of extreme insanity. When you factor in the fact that God is supposedly omniscient, he becomes a character so completely ludicrous that I have an easier time believing that Darth Vader is real.

On another note, I thought that most Christians had realized that the story of Adam and Eve was so ridiculous that it could only be a metaphorical description for the inherent flaws of the human race. Then again, Christians never have been the greatest at determining what stories are so silly that they cannot be taken literally.

[Godscreated]

Hey guys, a Christian friend of mine and I were discussing about the original sin recently. He said that we are not actually accountable for that apple eating sin of Adam and Eve. But somehow their act affected us and made us all sinners, so now everybody sins. Therefore no one can get into heaven in their current situation, even if they've done good deeds. Only by sacrificing his son for our sins, god can allow us get to heaven.(I'm not even bother trying to explain why this whole idea is idiotic ) My question is, if that's true, doesn't that make all the events before Jesus, --like the great flood kinda wiping out people events-- extremely unnecessary? I mean okay, we are sinners because we are affected by some Adam&Eve apple eating virus or something, and there is no cure for it, except for sacrificing Jesus. Then why the hell did you tried to prevent us to sin, or punished us when we sinned, anyway? So Christian forum mates, if you believe in this idea as my friend does, can you explain this to me? And, if you believe there is another explanation to original sin I'd like to hear it too.

Annatar, your friend was telling you the truth about original sin. No all the events before Christ had to be, the flood removed all the people from the face of the earth so that God could start anew with mankind, they had become so evil there was no hope for humanity unless God destroyed them and started over with Noah and his family. I could go on about Abraham, the nation of Israel formed in Egypt, the Exodus and ect. but it would be a wall of text and many here would be sure to let me know it. What God did was to work through history to bring His Son into this world at the appropriate time so the Gospel of Jesus could be spread throughout the world. Like your friend told you we are not responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve, however that sin brought the ability for all to sin into this creation and the innocence of man was lost, so now we are held accountable for our own sins and no one elses, with Jesus as our savior we have the hope to escape our sin but only if we believe.

[Minimalist]

As G-C proves every day, the only original sin is stupidity. Wake up, son. You believe in utter bullshit.

[Judas BentHer]

The question about original sin puzzled me exceedingly as a child. I loved to learn (still do), but I could never understand why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat the fruit of knowledge. Knowledge, that made you understand things, made you wiser, and this was to be forbidden? The god that asks it's followers to be ignorant is truly an asshole, knowledge will never be seen as sin by me.

Who ever taught you about original sin and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil should be ashamed of what they taught and I hope they are not teaching such anymore. God did not create people ignorant nor does He want people to be ignorant of the truth, God did however want everyone to be innocent but Adam and Eve sure messed that up.

The tree of Gnosis or knowledge was said by god to contain the fruit that would bestow understanding of good and evil. While the second tree, the fruit of which bore the gift of eternal life and which Eve did not eat, was still forbidden and it's fruit promised to bestow the same characteristic as what was possessed by the gods. (Refer to the plural deific references throughout Genesis during the creation epic. "We" "Our" "Eloheim".) Eternal life.

Innocence, is that what is exampled in a newborn child. They're completely open to the experience of this world, without the knowledge of how it works or what it all means, until parent(s), guardian(s), teachers and/or community guide the child to understanding.

So to imagine an omniscient creator intended to create full grown humans who bore the innocence of a newborn all their days, is to think god prefers ignorance over wisdom. An adult today who bears the mind of a newborn is considered both mentally and emotionally retarded. They're unable to function in society and are viewed as disabled.

If one first believes god created the first humans in "our" image and likeness, it is impossible for the first humans to remain innocent as full sized newborns because the source of their becoming was the most powerful entities in all of the creation they were responsible for bringing into existence. Omniscient, omnipotent power created mortal flesh from themselves and thus in their image and likeness.
And had a state of perpetual innocence been intended in the first place by god, he would have known better than to attempt to make Adam and Eve understand his rules about eating the fruits of the two forbidden tree's he planted in the garden and then forbid them to eat thereof.

Like unto an innocent newborn that can not reason for itself, so too would Adam and Eve have been. They would have never possessed the capacity to reason or make an informed choice as to whether or not to exercise the free will that's so often claimed was their responsibility and thus what caused them to bear the burden of sin, because they as you say were innocent. And that means they would be incapable of consciously willingly choosing to disobey god's command not to eat of the fruits. Like unto a newborn they would have depended on guidance to tell them what to do. Which is why Eve first said she was told not to eat of the fruits, when the serpent tempted her to. And yet, like unto a child, she was led to believe she could trust a higher authority which she wouldn't have known, being innocent, was Satan who was not to be trusted, and so as she'd been guided by god's voice in the garden she was guided by the voice of the serpent too.

The only opportunity for Eve and Adam to have been responsible for exercising their intellect in making an informed choice as to willfully disobey god regarding the fruit of the two tree's would have been after knowledge, Gnosis, was bestowed upon them by eating of the fruit of the tree of Knowledge.

So when you insist Adam and Eve were innocent and Omniscience intended that they remain as such, not only is that impossible because an all knowing god would have been aware of the destiny to befall Adam and Eve before they were created of him, but it's also saying that god damned innocence for it's condition of being ignorant.
Which is true to this day. Because, according to the Christian myth, all humans are sinners in the womb. They're born in deficit, as sinners due to the burden of Adam and Eve's original sin being bestowed upon them by god's will. Damned from birth. An infinite curse for a finite event that transpired when two innocent people, like unto children, did as they were told because they were made to know no better.

Of all the Omni characteristics Bible god is said to possess, Omnibenevolence is one he's not worthy of. He created the first of our kind as innocents. And then he condemned them for it, because omniscience knew more than they did. And omnipresence watched it all happen as planned.

It is impossible for your god to be about forgiveness when what is now asked by the faithful to be forgiven by him is their sinful state of being, according to his willful creation of them bearing that damnable deficit today because he could not forgive the first of our kind for going innocently astray, because they did not bear the intellect to reason their way unto obedience of him.

[Anomalocaris]

Or why didn't this retard of a God sacrifice Jesus the day after Adam ate the apple?
Then all would have been right with the world.

Because his own mother, whom he would impregnate in order to give birth to himself who is also his own son, won't be born for another 3900 years, give or take. Only after he has impregnated his own mother, so his own mother can give birth to himself, so he can die, but not die, and thus both die and be immortal as if he was living some SM incest snuff fantasy, would all be right with the world.