A question about original sin.

[annatar]

Annatar, your friend was telling you the truth about original sin. No all the events before Christ had to be, the flood removed all the people from the face of the earth so that God could start anew with mankind, they had become so evil there was no hope for humanity unless God destroyed them and started over with Noah and his family. I could go on about Abraham, the nation of Israel formed in Egypt, the Exodus and ect. but it would be a wall of text and many here would be sure to let me know it. What God did was to work through history to bring His Son into this world at the appropriate time so the Gospel of Jesus could be spread throughout the world. Like your friend told you we are not responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve, however that sin brought the ability for all to sin into this creation and the innocence of man was lost, so now we are held accountable for our own sins and no one elses, with Jesus as our savior we have the hope to escape our sin but only if we believe.

If I remember correctly, god had to be all powerful right? So how come there was no other way than destroying every soul in the world including innocent children?? And remember, It was not their fault to be such sinners, It was because they were cursed by their ancestors (Adam and Eve not apes). So he killed all those people just to make things go according to his plan? Damn, its more idiotic than I thought.. And you're saying that the guy who came up with those ideas, also created the whole universe??
I asked this question, because I wanted to demonstrate how stupid you sound when you try to explain it. Thank you Godschild for proving my point...

That was not you stated point and since you do not care to understand then why have us waste so much time on your petty joke.

Well well well, don't get too mad now.. It's not that I don't care to understand, it's just I understand quite clearly but you seem to struggle understanding how your logic fails when you try to explain it. So my question was not a joke, but your answer kinda was... My question was kind a rhetorical question to demonstrate how silly your idea of original sin was. I knew you'd came up with something like that, but I didn't expect you would say "all the things before Christ had to be and there was no other way" that was really bullshit, even by the theists standards. You practically said god made all those people suffer so that he can bring his son into earth on exact time he foretold he would. Nevertheless, I answered your reply, and explained how your logic fails, so it would be nice to hear something about my answer, and not just some complains..

[Kayenneh]

Well well well, don't get too mad now.. It's not that I don't care to understand, it's just I understand quite clearly but you seem to struggle understanding how your logic fails when you try to explain it. So my question was not a joke, but your answer kinda was... I knew you'd came up with something like that, but I didn't expect you would say "all the things before Christ had to be and there was no other way" that was really bullshit, even by the theists standards. You practically said god made all those people suffer so that he can bring his son into earth on exact time he foretold he would. Nevertheless, I answered your reply, and explained how your logic fails, so it would be good to hear something about my answer, and not just some complains..

It is like those crazy e.g. firemen, who set buildings on fire, just to be the first one on scene and hailed as a hero.. '-_-

[Welsh cake]

Who ever taught you about original sin and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil should be ashamed of what they taught and I hope they are not teaching such anymore. God did not create people ignorant nor does He want people to be ignorant of the truth, God did however want everyone to be innocent but Adam and Eve sure messed that up.

Okay...

"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked"

The reason God took the Tree of Life from the Garden of Eden was so that man would not have to live eternally in sin.

*cough*Hell*cough*

[DeistPaladin]

GC, do you actually believe this to be a literal story? Do you believe that there really were two people named Adam and Eve that lived in a magical garden and were tossed out for disobeying god?

Silly as this story is, Christianity doesn't work without it.

If the story is not literal, how then did humanity fall from grace? If humanity never fell from grace, there is nothing for Jesus to save us from. If humanity had always been out of grace, why would a sinless god who can't abide sin create us so?

[Anomalocaris]

For people like GC, everything revolves around the assertion Christianity works, works in all ways, works perfectly for all times each and every way. In their twisted world view, no distortion would be even slightly improper so long as it appear to them to support the assertion.

[Doubting Thomas]

I believe even the Catholic church states that the Adam & Eve story is allegorical, or maybe it was Pope John Paul II, I don't remember. However, they still believe in original sin and baptize babies to get rid of it, and believe that unless you are baptized to remove original sin, you can't get to heaven.

The thing that's totally unfair about original sin is that elsewhere in the bible it says the sins of the father will not be passed on to offspring. So therefore, each person is accountable only for the sins they commit, not what their parents or grandparents committed. Except for original sin, of course, which for some reason we all supposedly get stuck with.

[Faith No More]

If the story is not literal, how then did humanity fall from grace? If humanity never fell from grace, there is nothing for Jesus to save us from. If humanity had always been out of grace, why would a sinless god who can't abide sin create us so?

I'm sure you could probably find an apologist who has spent their lives reconciling Christianity with the fact that Adam and Eve is metaphorical. John Paul II openly declared evolution to be true so someone has to have spent plenty of time working on this issue.

[fr0d0]

I can't agree with you on this one, Frodo. Sin is such a biased concept, totally dependent on opinion. If there is no "normal" and "right" to compare to, how can we be flawed? We are what we are and must make the most of it, but there is no way that the human being can be standardized. Of course you are free to think of yourself as a sinner, if you feel like it, but don't put that tag on everyone else.

You're saying we're flawed using other words.

We are what we are.

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So, are you saying god screwed over and over before he came up with the crucifixion idea? Or those stories didn't actually occurred? If so, the question is not addressing you, coz I need someone who believes those thins as real.

God is timeless - he knew the whole plot outside of time. Some stories are not of actual events, no. The bible comprises many styles.

And the idea of everyone is sinner is pure bullshit. I don't know how you define sin but I've never harmed anyone directly or indirectly. If you think wanking is a sin, suit yourself...

Your wanking is ok by me annatar. Please don't get hung up on that.
So... you are a perfect being? Congratulations on that.

[Anomalocaris]

I am more perfect than a being suffering from the error of believing the original sin.

[fr0d0]

Whatever that is