A question about original sin.

[Judas BentHer]

Tell you what, I want you to bold all of the "if's" you used in that post. Come back with knockdown drag out evidence that any of the "if'"s are factual. Then I'll praise jehovah and put in a good word for you at the gates.

Sure, atheists worry about a good word getting them into heaven. But of course.

I'll tell you what, if Heaven is an ethereal paradise it doesn't need a gate. And if your name isn't in the Book of Life, you'd best hope someone puts in a good word for you, else you'll be hell bound with a quickness. While, if your god was omnibenevolent, that wouldn't be possible.

[C Rod]

Genesis 6:6 "And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart."


Yes, evil god. If man did what god either did or commanded to be done in his name, by his will, through his human emissaries, the Jews, it would be evil, sinful and condemned by god.
The 6th commandment thou shalt not murder. So while man can not murder how is it they can be allowed to by god's command, so as to do his will in the midst of that what he has dominion over? And how can god,a supreme being, be possessed of the same negative character flaws that make sinners of humans? Hate, vengeance, genocide, jealousy, commanding kidnapping and rape, etc...

How is it that if thou shalt not kill, and that among other verses are what is referenced by pro-life activists when they claim abortion is murder and against god? While god murdered countless children in Egypt at the time of Moses when he slaughtered the first born of every house, and when he drowned the whole world save for Noah's immediate family? Not to mention, if all is god's will then spontaneous abortion i.e. miscarriage, would make god's will responsible for making him the universal abortionist.

When a god commands lesser beings behave in a manner that god doesn't even aspire to, while god created human nature to be imperfect, in deficit of grace and yet worthy of judgment for our behaving as the flawed sinful flesh he created, while he is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, then not only is he a poor role model for having created us in his image and likeness, but he's also demonstrates chapter and verse that he's a murdering hypocritical psychopath and egomaniac. No thing that is perfect can create from itself anything that is less than perfect. Unless it is by intent. That makes god evil, because omniscience knows all which means human life is preordained within his sight.

So while you can rebut what you refuse to acknowledge is written in the Bible, it is there none the less.

If god was omnibenevolent, infinitely kind, in his omniscient omnipotence he would not have chosen to make imperfect humans, create sin as their curse for being human and flawed and then created the Book of Life wherein is contained the names of those select people, before their time began, who are to be granted admittance into Heaven. While all others, saved or not, are destined for the Hell of god's creation. All not as a matter of exercise of free will and possible outcomes. But rather all that is predestined because omniscient omnipotence promises as it knew every human before the womb, that it is true.

I am new to all this religious debate about God and Christianity, I have a hard time understanding this omni- stuff that you assume God is so as to prove a contradiction with how things are in this world in which what is perfect(God) is not with us and yet choice alludes you. He gave us a chance to be perfect and we still can be but we choose to act when angry, to substitute pleasure for joy, and lie for the sake of gain. He gave us perfection and that is choice but unlike him we do not chose good and the ones that do choose good are killed for their truth and judgement. And yet again you speak of things unknown and assume death as the greatest threat when that is of human concern and assumption.

"What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?" Rom 9:22-23

We truly speak of things we do not know.

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Tell you what, I want you to bold all of the "if's" you used in that post. Come back with knockdown drag out evidence that any of the "if'"s are factual. Then I'll praise jehovah and put in a good word for you at the gates.

I tell you the bible gives claims to facts or you can just know your gonna die for certainly that is your hope.

[Epimethean]

"And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart, for He realized that He was a Tard."

[Minimalist]

"And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth,

Yea...verily I tell thee that thy god was a putz.

[C Rod]

1) We assume that we are more than we are and that we know how things should be when we truly know so little.

Monotheists base their lives on pure unqualified assumption to a far greater degree than the average bear. Faith is the grand assumption.

2) You know nothing of what is to come but claim now is forever. We do not see the end or the beginning.

No-one "knows" what is to come. Most atheists are too busy working on what is to get sidetracked in speculations about the future. Your statement about not seeing the end or the beginning is fair, but it indicts your faith in a massive way due to your clingy dogmatism as it pertains to that heinously outdated old tome you think spells everything out for you even in the modern day.


3) If his judgements for the wicked are just how then is he evil and if his works are for good then how is he wrong and if he is the true God how could you question him?

There is no such thing as "his judgment." The wickedness lies in the presumption the godsquad makes by inserting its own prejudices as having been divinely inspired rather than taking responsibility for their bigotry. As for your "true god" rubbish, I'd meet any of the wackos responsible for coming up with the pox that is the bible at 40 paces any day of the week. Putting a bullet between some of their eyes would have aborted one of the worst plagues that ever lit upon this earth: christianity.

1) There all assumptions it just seems i have the better one in the long run and but even not so i wont even know it.

2)Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. I approve Love and anything truly beneficial.

3) Can i argue that anyone who was a bigot is not a christian. Like i say i work at Taco Bell but i do not work at taco bell. Christianity is perfect but humans are not.

[edk]

Christianity is perfect but humans are not.

Bullshit. Humans are half and half I'd say, Christianity on the other hand is the biggest festering pile of bullshit ever to grace the Earth with its presence.

[Epimethean]

Well, it and its co-turd, islam.

[edk]

Islam is bigger, but it hasn't been festering as long

[Epimethean]

It stinks just as badly.

[fr0d0]

Kudos for showing some life Kay

I didn't deviate from the subject, you did. Sin is a totally man made thing and flaw means defect, fault, or imperfection, especially one that is hidden and should not be applied to human beings. You might have quoted me exactly, but you missed the point. I'll be the one waiting for you to take a handfull of chill pills

And by the way, it's not only your eyes that deceives you, some here might argue that your mind is in the same boat..

'Sin' or human fallability /referring to the fall/ the human condition is man made in as much as 'man' makes up words to describe things. Of course it apples to f'in people! If you don't see a natural potential in yourself to do bad stuff then you might be the alien here. There's a thin line between a fine upstanding citizen and a criminal. You're not so stupid that you go against the norm to get what you want. You're also not so stupid that you don't do what would be morally wrong to get what you want either.