God Yahweh Allah was a volcano.

[popeyespappy]

A bunch of stuff that made sense that I couldn’t figure out how to spoil…

Aren’t most of Dead Sea Scrolls written in the Hebrew language with some in Paleo-Hebrew and a small part in Greek? If so, why would that cause problems switching between languages?

The Mesopotamian and Babylonian influence on Genesis, Noah, and even the similarities between Moses and Sargon are plain to see for anyone whose immortal soul doesn’t depend on their denial of them. As you point out much of this probably comes into the picture in the post Exile period at the direction of those sent back from Persia. However Yahweh seems to have been firmly entrenched as chief god of Israel (along with at least some of the Canaanite pantheon) well before that that period.

Inscriptions at Kuntillet Ajrud dating to the late 9th or early 8th century BCE refer to "Yahweh of Samaria and his Asherah" and "Yahweh of Teman and his Asherah." Samaria was the capital city of the northern Kingdom of Israel and Teman is a place in Edom. There are also Egyptian New Kingdom temple inscriptions refer to Yah of the Proto-Arab Bedouin living around the Edom area as early as the first half of the 14th century BCE. Not a Canaanite god but one of the Arab Bedouin. So there is creditable evidence for at least a proto-Yahweh of the Bedouin during the Egyptian New Kingdom period. There are other things that tie the Egyptian New Kingdom to the Old Testament. Proverbs is full of things taken from the sayings of the New Kingdom Sage Amenemope.

So we have a story called Exodus about a bunch of people who fled Egypt then founded the nation of Israel. I think most of us can agree that at the very least the story was probably embellished at some point with a bastardization of the story of Sargon II (Moses) if it’s not a complete fabrication. But I think there may be more to it than that. There is some evidence in the story itself. The existence of people that Moses found when he first crossed the desert is confirmed by external contemporary primary sources. They were followers of what would become the god of the Bible.

We also have Pharaoh’s city of Armarna. The site of what many believe to be the first monotheistic religion. The city was built from scratch within Pharaoh’s lifetime then completely abandoned within a very short time frame of his death. Where did they go; these people who toiled to build Pharaoh’s palaces’ and temples? My theory is some of made their way across the desert and joined the Bedouin worshipers of Yahweh and introduced them to the concept of monotheism. Doesn’t mean it happened that way but it’s not totally out of the realm of possibilities.

[Minimalist]

Most are in Hebrew, many in Aramaic and some in Greek which doesn't mean much as Aramaic was the common spoken language and the upper classes all spoke Greek.

A lot of them are copies of religious texts and some are quite general in nature.

You know, you can transcribe between related languages with a fair degree of justice to the original text, say Italian and Spanish as an example. However, when you start with English to Chinese you can get some bizarre translations. There are web sites dedicated to fucked up advertising slogans of English rendered into Chinese.
I suggest that Greek and Hebrew were different enough that easy translation back and forth would have been difficult but probably not impossible.

So we have a story called Exodus about a bunch of people who fled Egypt then founded the nation of Israel

Right, but we now know that is horseshit because the chain of evidence is that the villages which arose in the eastern hill country and which grew to be Israel and Judah were not founded until around 1200 BC at the start of the Iron Age. But that does not mean that there might now have been some folklore recollection of the Hyksos expulsion among the Canaanites. Remember the name of the pharaoh who chased them out was Ahmose... which is pretty close to Mose ( or Moses ) in English. When the Egyptians controlled Canaan there might have been some control on the story of how Ahmose chased the Hyksos out and conquered Canaan. My guess is the story was more popular with the Egyptians than the Canaanites! But once the Egyptians are gone who knows how the story could have been garbled or edited to suit the needs of the powers that be?

When Egypt had the power to control Canaan in the LBA she did so, for 4 centuries which included the reigns of Amenhotep II and Thutmoses III, the absolute peak of Egyptian imperial expansion was attained. As can be judged from the Amarna letters, Judah was an unimportant backwater. After the arrival of the Sea People, mainly the Philistines, Egypt had only two periods of short-lived military expansion into Canaan and they could not consolidate their gains in either case. Finkelstein's assertion that the gist of the story was used at the end of the 7th century to motivate the nation against Necho makes sense inasmuch as it is the only time, prior to the arrival of the Greeks, when Judah and Egypt were in expansionist mode at the same time. Its a compelling argument but it has nothing to do with "Judaism." Yahweh was the local boss hooter anyway in Jerusalem. As Dever discusses there was a perpetual power struggle between the traditional Canaanite religion in the countryside and the new Yahweh Is Cool school in Jerusalem. What better P.R. for ole Yahweh than to assert that he helped the nation escape from the big bad Egyptians once before? We all know that priests lie like rugs!

[Hannah]

Indomitable because of the feeling that this god is all-knowing, etc. Indomitable because once you've been brain washed into it it's very hard to get the damn thing out of your head. Of course, he was not all-present at first and that is why the Hebrews had to leave Egypt to worship him. The omnipresence came after they were forced to leave Mount Sinai. Somehow, probably through threats of death, the people were brain washed into believing the mountain of god would know if they did anything wrong and would be able to fire his fiery balls as far as would be necessary to exact punishment for wrong doings. People died in these harsh conditions and examples were made (god did it...be warned!). Of course, the priests were working on behalf of the honourable mountain of god so they acted as extra eyes and ears and executioners. I can imagine it would have been a fairly easy transition given the number of deaths of Hebrews in Exodus. Killing off a few thousand to instill fear and obedience would have been nothing in the grand scheme. The volcano terminology carries on throughout the Bible. Jesus's prophets didn't know yahweh's methods of wrath were volcanic but they repeated the OT stories to intill fear of yahweh.

No volcanos in Egypt. I know. I've been researching this for a few months now. This makes the case stronger not weaker. The lack of volcanos in Egypt strenthens the case for not only the Hebrews being in awe of one when they did finally stand close enough to one to see it firing out brimstone, etc, but it also strenthens the case for them having been in Egypt. These people, whoever they were, were volcano naive. There are people who believe they crossed into Saudi. It makes sense given the terrible conditions mentioned in the Bible. The Hebrews were crying all the time, starving and thirsty. Saudi is full of volcanos and has extreme weather/fault lines, etc. It may be that they just believed all volcanos were their god, hence 'Mount Horeb' and 'Mount Sinai'. They may have moved around a volcanic area.

I just cannot understand how anyone can read Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, etc, and not realise that these people walked towards a volcano, set up camp, gradually moved around the outer circumpherence areas of the volcano and sacrificed animals to this terrifying and majestic entity they were completely ignorant about....the highest hill for as far as the eye can see....the shepperd leading its flock.

It is entirely possible that this one little error did create three enormous religions because this volcano inspired all the terrifying verses that have put the fear of yahweh into so many hearts. There would have been nothing as frightening as a volcano to people who'd never seen one before. They would only have had to stay there for long enough to be terrified to the core and for the 'church' to be established. All that was required for the fear to continue to this day in the hearts and minds of millions was the removal of one word.....volcano.

'heaven' was the masse of clouds above the volcano, 'his chariots' were the ash clouds running down the volcano, 'fiery darts' were volcanic rocks, 'hell' was inside the volcano, 'angels' were flickering flames coming from lava vents, 'rivers of fire' was lava flow, the 'burning bush' that was not burning was a bush located near a burning volcanic gas leak or steam vent and the 'voice of god' was the rumblings inside the volcano.

The voice of god sounds very much like the Wizard from the Wizard of Oz doesn't it? Putting fear into the hearts of all who could hear him? The yellow brick road is also reminiscient of the lava rivers. Did the film makers work it out too?

[LastPoet]

Indomitable because of the feeling that this god is all-knowing, etc. Indomitable because once you've been brain washed into it it's very hard to get the damn thing out of your head. Of course, he was not all-present at first and that is why the Hebrews had to leave Egypt to worship him. The omnipresence came after they were forced to leave Mount Sinai. Somehow, probably through threats of death, the people were brain washed into believing the mountain of god would know if they did anything wrong and would be able to fire his fiery balls as far as would be necessary to exact punishment for wrong doings. People died in these harsh conditions and examples were made (god did it...be warned!). Of course, the priests were working on behalf of the honourable mountain of god so they acted as extra eyes and ears and executioners. I can imagine it would have been a fairly easy transition given the number of deaths of Hebrews in Exodus. Killing off a few thousand to instill fear and obedience would have been nothing in the grand scheme. The volcano terminology carries on throughout the Bible. Jesus's prophets didn't know yahweh's methods of wrath were volcanic but they repeated the OT stories to intill fear of yahweh.
No volcanos in Egypt. I know. I've been researching this for a few months now. This makes the case stronger not weaker. The lack of volcanos in Egypt strenthens the case for not only the Hebrews being in awe of one when they did finally stand close enough to one to see it firing out brimstone, etc, but it also strenthens the case for them having been in Egypt. These people, whoever they were, were volcano naive. There are people who believe they crossed into Saudi. It makes sense given the terrible conditions mentioned in the Bible. The Hebrews were crying all the time, starving and thirsty. Saudi is full of volcanos and has extreme weather/fault lines, etc.

Are you serious? The inexistence of a volcano in egipt makes your case stronger? Like the inexistence of proof towards their god proves its existence? Are you trying to beat theists in their own game? Its like you are trying to cover the biggest pile of bullshit around with MORE Bullshit. Good luck with that!

I just cannot understand how anyone can read Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, etc, and not realise that these people walked towards a volcano, set up camp, gradually moved around the outer circumpherence areas of the volcano and sacrificed animals to this terrifying and majestic entity they were completely ignorant about....the highest hill for as far as the eye can see....the shepperd leading its flock.

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The way you start that is a classic start of an argument from ignorance, you should know it, as Pad as already quoted its definition. Besides, here is a fact: People do interpret the bible the way they want, some literaly, some allegorically, you will have a hard time finding 2 equal interpretations (except for literalist ofc).

It is entirely possible that this one little error did create three enormous religions because this volcano inspired all the terrifying verses that have put the fear of yahweh into so many hearts. There would have been nothing as frightening as a volcano to people who'd never seen one before. They would only have had to stay there for long enough to be terrified to the core and for the 'church' to be established. All that was required for the fear to continue to this day in the hearts and minds of millions was the removal of one word.....volcano.

The way you are irrationally defending that 'volcano' conjecture, not really hearing what people here have to say, to be honest makes me think you are trolling around. Want to be taken seriously? Present your evidence, task you so much failed till now.

[Hannah]

They left Egypt to worship Yahweh. That is why the lack of volcanos in Egypt strenthens the case. They left a land of no volcanos and went to a land of volcanos and shit themselves.

[LastPoet]

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[Hannah]

The volcanic verses I've found so far now in Biblical order....

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah--from the LORD out of the heavens.

Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:

Exodus 13:22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.

Exodus 15:7 In the greatness of your majesty you threw down those who opposed you. You unleashed your burning anger; it consumed them like stubble.

Exodus 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain

Exodus 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud

Exodus 19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:

Exodus 19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.

Exodus 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

Exodus 19:17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

Exodus 19:18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

Exodus 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Exodus 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

Exodus 21:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

Exodus 24:2 And Moses alone shall come near the LORD: but they shall not come nigh; neither shall the people go up with him.

Exodus 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Exodus 24:5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.

Exodus 24:15 And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount.

Exodus 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

Exodus 24:17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.

Exodus 32:10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

Exodus 34:29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

Exodus 34:30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

Leviticus 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

Leviticus 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

Leviticus 10:6 bewail the burning which the LORD hath kindled.

Numbers 11: 1 And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

Numbers 11:10 Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their families, every man in the door of his tent: and the anger of the LORD was kindled greatly; Moses also was displeased.

Numbers 26:10 The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them along with Korah, whose followers died when the fire devoured the 250 men. And they served as a warning sign.

Numbers 16:34 At their cries, all the Israelites around them fled, shouting, "The earth is going to swallow us too!"

Numbers 16.35 And fire came out from the LORD and consumed the 250 men who were offering the incense.

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Deuteronomy 29:23 The whole land will be a burning waste of salt and sulfur--nothing planted, nothing sprouting, no vegetation growing on it. It will be like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which the LORD overthrew in fierce anger.

2 Samuel 22:9 Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.

2 Samuel 22:10 He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet.

1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

Psalm 50:3 Our God comes and will not be silent; a fire devours before him, and around him a tempest rages.

Psalm 97:3 Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side.

Isaiah: 5:26 And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly.

Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, their Holy One a flame; in a single day it will burn and consume his thorns and his briers.

Isaiah 30:27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar, with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke; his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a consuming fire.

Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: "Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?"

Isaiah 66:15 See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Jeremiah 4:13 Look! He advances like the clouds, his chariots come like a whirlwind, his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us! We are ruined!

Jeremiah 25:37 The peaceful meadows will be laid waste because of the fierce anger of the LORD.

Lamentations 4:11 The LORD has given full vent to his wrath; he has poured out his fierce anger. He kindled a fire in Zion that consumed her foundations.

Ezekiel 7:8 I am about to pour out my wrath on you and spend my anger against you; I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices.

Daniel 7:9 "As I looked, "thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.

Daniel 7:10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.

Matthew 3:12 John the Baptist said the lost will end up in “unquenchable fire.”

Matthew 13:42 Jesus Christ said the lost will finally be cast “into a furnace of fire.”

Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”

Luke 17:29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
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2 Thessalonians 1:7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

Hebrews 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 12:29 for our "God is a consuming fire."

2 Peter 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

Revelation 11:5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.

Revelation 11:19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Revelation 14:10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

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Read this....

http://www.volcanolive.com/saudi.html

and then this....

http://www.sgs.org.sa/English/Earthquake...anoes.aspx

and then read Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, etc....if you have not done so already.

[Gawdzilla]

They left Egypt to worship Yahweh. That is why the lack of volcanos in Egypt strenthens the case. They left a land of no volcanos and went to a land of volcanos and shit themselves.

They were never IN Egypt.


And you need to look up "quote mining". You'll be slightly less inept at this if you stop that. But, of course, your whole house of cards would collapse if you did.

[Hannah]

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano....age=synsub

One of the craters at Harrat Rahat is called 'Turrah'. Torah?

[Gawdzilla]

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano....age=synsub

One of the craters at Harrat Rahat is called 'Turrah'. Torah?

Your education system has failed you miserably.