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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 5:45 pm
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It very much seems that your entire argument (in these last few posts) rests on the claim that you have given a justification for the laws of logic, which you have not. It's been pointed out to both you and Ryft that the passages that you wish to use to do so are insufficient (and why they are insufficient). If they were sufficient, than any god that claims to have set laws would be equally valid, which you refuse to consider (despite there being many such gods, many such texts, and enough words in each text so as to be made to say anything).
The fact that all of this has been explained to you, many many many pages ago, is why your argument is an ad naus. All of this why? Because you have nothing else to show for your claims.
Bullshit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 5:51 pm
(October 28, 2011 at 5:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It very much seems that your entire argument (in these last few posts) rests on the claim that you have given an account for the laws of logic, which you have not. It's been pointed out to both you and Ryft that the passages that you wish to use to do so are insufficient. If they were sufficient, than any god that claims to have set laws would be equally valid, which you refuse to consider (despite there being many such gods, many such texts, and enough words in each text so as to be made to say anything).
The fact that all of this has been explained to you, many many many pages ago, is why your argument is an ad naus.
Nope, this is a red herring. You are an atheist, so defend your atheism, not other people's theism. Your assertion that there are other gods who could account for the preconditions is incorrect, but even more importantly it is irrelevant since you don't even believe in these other gods. Stick to defending your worldview if you can.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 5:52 pm
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I don't have to defend anything Statler. You've made a claim, make your own case. Don't bitch and moan about other peoples worldviews when we aren't blown away by the bullshit that convinced you.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 5:55 pm
(October 28, 2011 at 5:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I don't have anything to defend anything Statler. You've made a claim, make your own case.
The principle of sufficient reason states you have to account for your assumptions. On the contrary, if you wish to be a rational person you have to defend your worldview.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 5:56 pm
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The principle of "make your own fucking case" is lost on you, isn't it. No amount of anyone else being wrong about anything at all makes you right by default.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 5:58 pm
(October 28, 2011 at 5:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The principle of "make your own fucking case" is lost on you, isn't it. No amount of anyone else being wrong about anything at all makes you right by default.
I already have made my case. I have given account for each of the preconditions; I also stated that you cannot. Somehow I get the feeling that if you thought you could you would have done so a long time ago, so the ball is still in your court now.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 5:59 pm
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You haven't, you simply keep claiming that you have. I did, a long long time ago..lol. Find the posts yourself.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 6:00 pm
(October 28, 2011 at 5:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You haven't, you simply keep claiming that you have.
Yes I have, name one and I will do it again for you.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Make your own case. I don't even have to suggest anything for you to address...
Make your own case.
Make your own case.
Make your own case.
Are we clear?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm
(October 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Make your own case. I don't even have to suggest anything for you to address...
Make your own case.
Make your own case.
Make your own case.
Are we clear?
Oh so that was just another red herring? You were not actually wanting me to account for anything, well ok then...
Already did.
Already did.
Already did.
Is that clear enough?
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