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Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 9:06 pm
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Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
Definition.
Passive atheist. One who does not actively seek out theists to try to convert them.
Assertive atheist. One who will actively seek out theist and try to convert them.
Please tell us why you do as you do.
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 9:12 pm
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Loaded, so sneakily loaded. As if there were only two options here anyway.... are you an assertive or a passive one?
See? 
And I am not answering that question of yours... since you seem to still struggle with the basic concepts.
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I am somewhere in between, I don't actively seek people out, however I am vocal and very aggressive when it comes to discussions. I rather enjoy making people uncomfortable by discussing religion regularly and with the utmost cynicism. I suppose I am somewhat assertive, but not like jehovahs witnesses or anything. I do not instigate conversations with people who do not wish to have them, nor do I in any way hound people who withdraw.
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 9:41 pm
(September 3, 2011 at 9:12 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Loaded, so sneakily loaded. As if there were only two options here anyway.... are you an assertive or a passive one?
See?
And I am not answering that question of yours... since you seem to still struggle with the basic concepts.
And he/she thought know one would notice how loaded the question is.
Quite silly.
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 9:55 pm
I guess I am kinda defensive because of the lunatics surrounding me. I don't force my views upon them, but they do try to force theirs upon me. When they do, I just start asking them a million and one logical questions that they can't answer, and then give up.
One day my Aunt, who is a member of a Christian "super church", asked me how I knew about evolution etc, to which I replied that I have learned about it from reading books. She then fired back that I "shouldn't believe everything I read." This coming from someone who claims to read and believe the new testament. Since these are the kind of people I deal with, I find it exhausting to even consider trying to make them think scientifically, and convert them from their irrationality, to free thought and careful examination of evidence. It's just pointless... don't you think?
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 10:01 pm
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I'll not give into this trap of yours for you to take me as a fool. (of which you may already)
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Exceedingly few things in life are that black and white, Greatest I am. You have set up a false dichotomy. A continuum is more realistic.
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 3, 2011 at 10:26 pm
I'm passive-aggressive: I yell at them about something else!
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 4, 2011 at 2:15 am
(September 3, 2011 at 9:06 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
Definition.
Passive atheist. One who does not actively seek out theists to try to convert them.
Assertive atheist. One who will actively seek out theist and try to convert them.
Please tell us why you do as you do.
Regards
DL
I don't agree with your definitions. I'd use 'assertive' and 'aggressive' .
I consider any form of proselyting aggressive and obnoxious.
I try to be assertive: I have no interest in deconverting anyone,mainly due to indifference.However, I'm perfectly willing and able to defend myself if anyone gets in my face.
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RE: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
September 4, 2011 at 5:27 am
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2011 at 5:47 am by Greatest I am.)
(September 3, 2011 at 9:12 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Loaded, so sneakily loaded. As if there were only two options here anyway.... are you an assertive or a passive one?
See?
And I am not answering that question of yours... since you seem to still struggle with the basic concepts.
My definitions I kept simple. If you cannot understand those basic positions then-------just who is stuggling?
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(September 3, 2011 at 9:14 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: I am somewhere in between, I don't actively seek people out, however I am vocal and very aggressive when it comes to discussions. I rather enjoy making people uncomfortable by discussing religion regularly and with the utmost cynicism. I suppose I am somewhat assertive, but not like jehovahs witnesses or anything. I do not instigate conversations with people who do not wish to have them, nor do I in any way hound people who withdraw.
Good. Those last remarks would show what I call aggresion, not assertiveness.
Why do you do it?
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(September 3, 2011 at 9:55 pm)aleialoura Wrote: I guess I am kinda defensive because of the lunatics surrounding me. I don't force my views upon them, but they do try to force theirs upon me. When they do, I just start asking them a million and one logical questions that they can't answer, and then give up.
One day my Aunt, who is a member of a Christian "super church", asked me how I knew about evolution etc, to which I replied that I have learned about it from reading books. She then fired back that I "shouldn't believe everything I read." This coming from someone who claims to read and believe the new testament. Since these are the kind of people I deal with, I find it exhausting to even consider trying to make them think scientifically, and convert them from their irrationality, to free thought and careful examination of evidence. It's just pointless... don't you think?
I would say that as you get defensive, your assertiveness comes out.
To your last. No. It is not pointless.
It shows you have a social conscience.
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(September 4, 2011 at 2:15 am)padraic Wrote: (September 3, 2011 at 9:06 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?
Definition.
Passive atheist. One who does not actively seek out theists to try to convert them.
Assertive atheist. One who will actively seek out theist and try to convert them.
Please tell us why you do as you do.
Regards
DL
I don't agree with your definitions. I'd use 'assertive' and 'aggressive' .
I consider any form of proselyting aggressive and obnoxious.
I try to be assertive: I have no interest in deconverting anyone,mainly due to indifference.However, I'm perfectly willing and able to defend myself if anyone gets in my face.
So you do not actively seek theists out then?
You do not go to the more religious sites or dialog with those here, if any, who are giving a theistic view?
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DL
To those who did not answer and others who see my question as a trap of some kind, thanks for your replies.
I may have KIS the question to much for you.
Then again, if you cannot answer simple questions then-------
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DL
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